Information on romance scams and scammers.
by elvira_madigan Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:06 pm
2011 was the first time i got scammed. I was scammed of money, i was sad, broken, but after a while i got over it.
A friend recomended datingsite 4ppl. There i met Tim Patrick Horton. He told me he was from Kansas, USA. That he was working in England for the moment, as a paint-artist. We added each other on yahoo, but i was very restrict to him. We exchanged phonenumbers. The first time he called me was 2 of june 2011. I didnt understand what he said to me. He had a husky and light voice. I dont remember what i said to him, but i hang up. He wrote to me at yahoo, that he had called me and that i didnt understand that he said " Its Tim".

WE kept on talking. In august 2011 i went to England, for to visit a friend of mine and maybe also meet Tim. I was in England for a month. I met him several times. He bought clothes for me. Everything was just fine. After i came home to sweden he told me that he had got a jobboffer in Nigeria. He asked me if he was to take that. I told him NO, fuck Africa.... but he went there anyway.

When he got to Nigeria, it showed that the people he was to work for had dropped out of the deal. He tried to contact his boss, cause he had no ticket back to The states. His boss promissed to help him all the time, but nothing happened. So there he was, stranded and no money. Here i started to send him money, for to help him with food. We talked over phone several times, so i know he was in Nigeria. Could hear all people around him, and also those damn chickens in the backyard.

Just before christmas, 2011, he was on his way home to me in Sweden. He had been on the swedish embassy, for to get a visa so he could go to sweden. He also paid half the ammount of the ticket. They were going to help him with the ticket, so he wouldnt be needed to go by buss for hours to get to the embassy. He was to send the money to them instead. When he was to travel, there was troubles in Nigeria. So the airport was cloced, and he could not go. We were really sad both of us. We decided to keep on working for him to come here.

For to make this story a little shorter.... Tim is on his way to the airport, at the beginning of may. He is on the bus. Me and my friend has been away shopping, its friday. When we comes home, my phone rings. Its a Nigerian-number i dont recognice. My first thought is not to answer. But after 10 times they called i answered. It is an African male that are telling me something, i dont understand what he says. Then i get to talk to Tim, who screams and cries, he is trying to tell me that he has been kidnapped. He tells me how much he loves me before they are to kill him. I get a totaly breakdown, leave the phone to my friend, she helps me to find out whats happened. I was in a state of chock, but still i was confused, because they called me with a real phonenumber,

I also got to talk to Tim on phone and they started to talk about a ransome, that was of 1500 Usdollars. I tried to het a hold of the money. The money was to be sent to the same WU, were Tim used to pick up his money. The kidnappers would take Tim to the WU for to get the money, leave those to the kidnappers and in that moment get all his documents back and go free. During this time i can call the kidnappers and talk to Tim.

After a couple of days i get a mail. Its the second boss in command that sent it to me. He tells me his name, Uche, he is responsable for Tim. He doesnt want me to send any money, because they will not let Tim go, they will ask for another 5 000 Usdollars. Uche thinks that im a good woman and like me. He wants to help me and Tim, if i can help him. "Save Tim, save Uche"

Uche has a female friend in Ghana, That are going to help us with planeticket for Tim and also a new passport. She is also to help Uche to escape. The big boss is away on buissness, i have a threat that he is comming back and give Tim a injection with all kinds of drugs, that will make Tim to a zombie. I have sent money at 2 different occations to Uches friend in Ghana. Currently its missing 1300 usdollars, but i am broken and have no money. Tim is calling me all the time but i dont answer. I am at my friends place. Have had nervous Breakdowns several times, because its MY fault that theyt are going to kill Tim on tuesday.
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by vonpaso xlura Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:15 pm
Does the number he had in England begin with +44-70? If so, he was lying about his location, he was in Nigeria all the time, he is lying about being kidnapped, and he's lying about his very identity.

... ni los estafadores heredarán el reino de Dios. 1 Cor. 6:10
by elvira_madigan Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:27 pm
the number he had in England, was also a Nigerian number.

Is there anyone who can help me through this. I feel like dying....
by Justin Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:30 pm
Hello elvira_madigan,

Your story is a little unusual in that most of the time victims of romance scams do not meet the scammers in person as you said you did in England. However it's not uncommon for scammers from Nigeria to have accomplices and/or be in the UK. Everything you said about the job in Nigeria, kidnaping, "boss" and friend in Ghana sounds very typical of a Nigerian romance scammer. You mentioned the "kidnappers" wanted the money sent to the "same" western union as usual. We're you sending money there on a regular basis? Also you mentioned when you first talked to Tim on the phone you did not understand him. The person you met in the UK did he seem to be American as he claimed?

Lastly the site you said you met him on 4ppl is crawling with scammers.

Justin

by Dotti Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:18 pm
I apologize for being blunt, but I feel it is necessary given the situation.

First of all, I have actually never met a real person on 4ppl. They are very few and far between. Every time I log on, I find dozens of scammer profiles, though. You have not met a real person, either.

This whole scenario screams scam from start to finish. None of it is true.
You have never been in contact with an American named Tim Patrick Horton. You have been dealing with African scammers all along. If you actually met someone in England, it was undoubtedly an accomplice of the scammers.

It was clear it was a scam right here:
he had no ticket back to The states...So there he was, stranded and no money.


The United States has embassies in Nigeria. If an American is stranded there without money, they will help him to get home. An international business man would know this, period. So the moment that story came up, it was established that "Tim Patrick Horton" is NOT American and IS a scammer.
Everything after that is pure fiction. Nobody is kidnapped, nobody is being given drugs. Uche is simply one of the scammers, playing another role to get your money

If you were really in contact with an American and he were kidnapped, the appropriate action to take would be to contact law enforcement and the US Consulate, period.

Fake kidnappings are so common that the US embassy in Nigeria has the following posted on their website:
How can I get help for a U.S. citizen friend or family member in Nigeria?
The U.S. Embassy has extensive programs to assist its citizens in Nigeria. Any citizen in need of assistance can call, e-mail or visit the Embassy in Abuja or Consulate in Lagos to request assistance. Unfortunately, most assistance requests that we receive stem from 419 scams, in which people ask online acquaintances to send money to assist them after a robbery, kidnapping, accident, arrest or other such incident. You can read more about this type of scam here. We strongly recommend that you do not send money directly to anybody who you have not met in person. You can refer any citizen in need of help to the Embassy.


You need to cut off contact with all of these people IMMEDIATELY! Do not answer any emails or phone calls. Just walk away. The only thing that will happen if you stay in contact is that you will lose more money.

If you are not convinced, and still hold a belief that this might be real, then contact the American Embassy in Lagos: http://nigeria.usembassy.gov/american_citizen_service.html But again, stop all contact with Uche, "Tim," and everyone else.

If you forward some of the early emails from "Tim" to me (my email address is in my signature), I can undoubtedly point out to you many signs in the English that show he is not really an American.

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by vonpaso xlura Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:13 pm
An American in England has a Nigerian number??? That makes no sense whatsoever. That was a Nigerian in England you met.

Anytime anyone asks you to pay by Western Union or MoneyGram, consider it a scam. I've used WU once in my life. That was when someone in Australia wanted to sell me some bottles for putting scented oil that I make in. I went to the American post office and asked for an international money order, which is what she wanted. The PO had no MOs for Australia and suggested WU. She did send the bottles. I think this was before PayPal, which is what I'd use if I were buying them today. But there are PayPal scammers; they send fake messages appearing to come from PayPal.

I'm sorry you got scammed and hope you find a real person to hook up with!

... ni los estafadores heredarán el reino de Dios. 1 Cor. 6:10
by elvira_madigan Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:13 pm
Justin wrote:Hello elvira_madigan,

Your story is a little unusual in that most of the time victims of romance scams do not meet the scammers in person as you said you did in England. However it's not uncommon for scammers from Nigeria to have accomplices and/or be in the UK. Everything you said about the job in Nigeria, kidnaping, "boss" and friend in Ghana sounds very typical of a Nigerian romance scammer. You mentioned the "kidnappers" wanted the money sent to the "same" western union as usual. We're you sending money there on a regular basis? Also you mentioned when you first talked to Tim on the phone you did not understand him. The person you met in the UK did he seem to be American as he claimed?

Lastly the site you said you met him on 4ppl is crawling with scammers.

Justin
yes, they wanted me to send the "ransom" to the same wu that I've always sent money to Tim. The reason I did not understand that it was Tim who called was that I was överumplad, he spoke good English, but had little hoarse and high-pitched voice
by Justin Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:37 pm
Well as vonpaso said anyone asking you to send money via Western Union is a scammer. It's all a lie no one is kidnapped it's just a story created so the scammer can steal your money. Just stop all communication with the scammer and all the other charecters. If you ignore them they will eventually give up and go away.

I am sorry you were scammed but the sooner you cut off all ties with the scammers the sooner you can begin the healing proccess.

Justin

by buried under 419s Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:24 pm
I guess they warned you about calling the embassy, the FBI, or Nigerian law enforcement Just reading the story, I get the feeling they also would warn you against him.

Everything said before me is really good advice, I can’t understand why a real company would have someone relocate on a whim.

You should really consider sending everything copies of thing you have to law enforcement. Ie past emails with header codes, phone numbers, W.U. or money gram receipts, etc the domains for LE contacts are

http://www.efccnigeria.org

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

Also send copies to law enforcement of your home country.

Regardless of anything, even if this story was true, this is the very best you can do. I about positive they will repeat the advice given here break off contact and if you can change your email, phone etc. mainly because you will soon be flooded with scam emails.

Questions about scams? fraudatiocruor @ gmail.com to contact remove spaces
by elvira_madigan Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:59 am
Dotti wrote:I apologize for being blunt, but I feel it is necessary given the situation.

First of all, I have actually never met a real person on 4ppl. They are very few and far between. Every time I log on, I find dozens of scammer profiles, though. You have not met a real person, either.

This whole scenario screams scam from start to finish. None of it is true.
You have never been in contact with an American named Tim Patrick Horton. You have been dealing with African scammers all along. If you actually met someone in England, it was undoubtedly an accomplice of the scammers.

It was clear it was a scam right here:
he had no ticket back to The states...So there he was, stranded and no money.


The United States has embassies in Nigeria. If an American is stranded there without money, they will help him to get home. An international business man would know this, period. So the moment that story came up, it was established that "Tim Patrick Horton" is NOT American and IS a scammer.
Everything after that is pure fiction. Nobody is kidnapped, nobody is being given drugs. Uche is simply one of the scammers, playing another role to get your money

If you were really in contact with an American and he were kidnapped, the appropriate action to take would be to contact law enforcement and the US Consulate, period.

Fake kidnappings are so common that the US embassy in Nigeria has the following posted on their website:
How can I get help for a U.S. citizen friend or family member in Nigeria?
The U.S. Embassy has extensive programs to assist its citizens in Nigeria. Any citizen in need of assistance can call, e-mail or visit the Embassy in Abuja or Consulate in Lagos to request assistance. Unfortunately, most assistance requests that we receive stem from 419 scams, in which people ask online acquaintances to send money to assist them after a robbery, kidnapping, accident, arrest or other such incident. You can read more about this type of scam here. We strongly recommend that you do not send money directly to anybody who you have not met in person. You can refer any citizen in need of help to the Embassy.


You need to cut off contact with all of these people IMMEDIATELY! Do not answer any emails or phone calls. Just walk away. The only thing that will happen if you stay in contact is that you will lose more money.

If you are not convinced, and still hold a belief that this might be real, then contact the American Embassy in Lagos: http://nigeria.usembassy.gov/american_citizen_service.html But again, stop all contact with Uche, "Tim," and everyone else.

If you forward some of the early emails from "Tim" to me (my email address is in my signature), I can undoubtedly point out to you many signs in the English that show he is not really an American.


Hi Dotti

I want to send you an old email from Tim, but I can't send it to the address you have in your signature

Elvira
by elvira_madigan Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:03 am
Justin wrote:Well as vonpaso said anyone asking you to send money via Western Union is a scammer. It's all a lie no one is kidnapped it's just a story created so the scammer can steal your money. Just stop all communication with the scammer and all the other charecters. If you ignore them they will eventually give up and go away.

I am sorry you were scammed but the sooner you cut off all ties with the scammers the sooner you can begin the healing proccess.

Justin



Justin

It just so hard, but I do my best. I know that he is a scammer, but it so so many questions is in my head in time....

Elvira
by elvira_madigan Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:10 am
Dotti wrote:I apologize for being blunt, but I feel it is necessary given the situation.

First of all, I have actually never met a real person on 4ppl. They are very few and far between. Every time I log on, I find dozens of scammer profiles, though. You have not met a real person, either.

This whole scenario screams scam from start to finish. None of it is true.
You have never been in contact with an American named Tim Patrick Horton. You have been dealing with African scammers all along. If you actually met someone in England, it was undoubtedly an accomplice of the scammers.

It was clear it was a scam right here:
he had no ticket back to The states...So there he was, stranded and no money.


The United States has embassies in Nigeria. If an American is stranded there without money, they will help him to get home. An international business man would know this, period. So the moment that story came up, it was established that "Tim Patrick Horton" is NOT American and IS a scammer.
Everything after that is pure fiction. Nobody is kidnapped, nobody is being given drugs. Uche is simply one of the scammers, playing another role to get your money

If you were really in contact with an American and he were kidnapped, the appropriate action to take would be to contact law enforcement and the US Consulate, period.

Fake kidnappings are so common that the US embassy in Nigeria has the following posted on their website:
How can I get help for a U.S. citizen friend or family member in Nigeria?
The U.S. Embassy has extensive programs to assist its citizens in Nigeria. Any citizen in need of assistance can call, e-mail or visit the Embassy in Abuja or Consulate in Lagos to request assistance. Unfortunately, most assistance requests that we receive stem from 419 scams, in which people ask online acquaintances to send money to assist them after a robbery, kidnapping, accident, arrest or other such incident. You can read more about this type of scam here. We strongly recommend that you do not send money directly to anybody who you have not met in person. You can refer any citizen in need of help to the Embassy.


You need to cut off contact with all of these people IMMEDIATELY! Do not answer any emails or phone calls. Just walk away. The only thing that will happen if you stay in contact is that you will lose more money.

If you are not convinced, and still hold a belief that this might be real, then contact the American Embassy in Lagos: http://nigeria.usembassy.gov/american_citizen_service.html But again, stop all contact with Uche, "Tim," and everyone else.

If you forward some of the early emails from "Tim" to me (my email address is in my signature), I can undoubtedly point out to you many signs in the English that show he is not really an American.


Dotti


I want to find sites there a can find pics on scammers

Elvira
by elvira_madigan Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:20 am
Justin wrote:Hello elvira_madigan,

Your story is a little unusual in that most of the time victims of romance scams do not meet the scammers in person as you said you did in England. However it's not uncommon for scammers from Nigeria to have accomplices and/or be in the UK. Everything you said about the job in Nigeria, kidnaping, "boss" and friend in Ghana sounds very typical of a Nigerian romance scammer. You mentioned the "kidnappers" wanted the money sent to the "same" western union as usual. We're you sending money there on a regular basis? Also you mentioned when you first talked to Tim on the phone you did not understand him. The person you met in the UK did he seem to be American as he claimed?

Lastly the site you said you met him on 4ppl is crawling with scammers.

Justin


Justin

Yes I know what 4ppl is, just a scam site, but there I was and there I meet Tim it the fact!
I meet an american guy in England, and I have talked to the "same voice" all the time.
Tim have even sometimes when I told him that I don't have so much money fore myself said that he don't want me to send money. And I haven't done that, sometimes he even told me that he want to send my money back!
by Justin Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:37 am
All of these are tactics used by the scammer to gain your trust and steal your money. The scammer knows you will eventually send the money. You are simple a source of income to the scammer. It's easy for him to tell you he will send the money back but he didn't. Even if he does once it's just another tactic to steal more money from you down the road. These scammers know if they gain your trust and affections with their fabricated stories they can continue to steal money from you over a long period of time.

I'm sorry but it's all a lie and the sooner you accept it the sooner you can move on.

Justin

by Dotti Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:22 am
Elvira,

There are spaces in my email address in my signature to prevent it being picked up by lots of spammers and scammers.

To send an email to me, you just remove all of the spaces.

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