Information on romance scams and scammers.
by BelievedIt Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:24 pm
Hello all!

Don't really know where or how to start this message.
I've been reading around in this forum, actually found my way here as my suspicions started to arise efter receiving an e-mail which sounded a little to good to be true. And soooo it wasn't as I got several matches as I did some research in the internet.
He found me on a North European country and I am sorry to admit that I got carried away as I found him to be drop dead handsome.

Before posting his messages to me and pictures as well I'd like to have an OK by one of you guys supervising this site.

My research also led me to find the guy acting on a German dating site as well and the pictures he sent me of himself has been used previously, as far as my research led me they were used as early as in 2012. Don't know if he got a rest and rose again now though...

Give me the OK and I'll post his messages.
Thanks!

**Edit**
In the mean time:
viewtopic.php?f=13&p=213763&t=29989 - "Samuel" has been here before
http://scamdigger.com/2015/01/robert-ci ... yahoo-com/ - And "Robert"
http://fake-scam.info/index.php?action= ... w;id=17803 - And "Williams"
http://www.youreittoday.com/scammer_pro ... 00781.html - And "Scott"
Last edited by BelievedIt on Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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by Bryon Williams Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:11 pm
Yes, please post the emails he sent you. Do not post the emails that you sent. Remove any of your personal information from them prior to submitting.

Post all email addresses, telephone numbers and photos. Please watermark the photos as "Stolen By A Scammer"

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by BelievedIt Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:39 pm
Ok, thanks Bryon!
I'm not able to watermark the photos but I guarantee that I received all of them on my previous links. TinEye finds 2 of them whereas google finds the ones where he is bare chested.

Here are the e-mails sent to me; personal info/details removed keeping the main parts which are of great interest for others.

Mail no.2, (the first one was translated to English by internet dictionary):

Hope you have had a good day?. It's so nice to hear from you again and I'm even more excited that i can correspond with you directly in English.

Thanks for your messages, You definitely gave me in depth information about yourself that I found very interesting to read. We seem to be on the same wavelength which is a good start and I'm glad you want an honest guy... a friend once said I'm too honest for my own good but I don't agree that honesty should have a threshold. For me it's either honesty or otherwise, nothing in between.

I think it's very important that I should let you that I have just recovered from what I would call the darkest few months of my life. Hopefully, I will tell you more about it in the future but that depends if you'd still like to keep in contact with me. Your city is been my home mostly in the last 3 years, so I can say I live there even though I'm away working in Korea right now. I have plans to quit my work with the military when my term ends sometimes in July, start a new life as a civilian there in your country and hopefully find a good woman that I can enjoy this fresh chapter of my life with. I also like you to know that I haven't been too lucky with most of the women I have loved in the past but I strongly believe there are loads of good women out there and i hope with you I have a change of luck.

Sorry that my email is coming quite late, there is massive time difference between us. Kindly let me know what your take about all I have said... Till I hear back from you, be well.

Michalis Ioannidis



Mail no.3;

Reading your messages excite me, I relate easily with everything you say and I think we already have so much in common.

Where I am in Korea?. I'm at some military installment somewhere called the DMZ. It's a buffer town in between the broader of North and South Korea.

More about me; I'm a fun, happy, outgoing, confident and cheeky, easy going guy with a great sense of humor. I like to have a beer with my mates and talk sports but I also love to snuggle on the couch and watch a good movie, nothing beats a good kiss!!. I am not a player or in this just for a shag; would respect the same attitude. I still enjoy going to a pub/cafe that has live/music having a beer or a wine, some nice food, and good company. I'm honest, sincere, respectful, a good judge of character and a very good listener also a bit of a romantic. People say i don't look my age (bonus) nor do I act it at times, but i put this down to my relaxed approach to both work and lifestyle, but when I need to be a mature, professional "grown up" I have no problem in doing so and do it well.

I don't watch much tv...i don't like to watch reality tv really...because i hate watching people argue or cry...but i do watch a lot of sports and documentaries...i like most types of documentaries...but I'm particularly interested in shows on the natural world, the universe, historical and biographical documentaries... it seems like i haven't been able to make much time for reading lately. I enjoy traveling, i was on vacation in New Zealand, Australia and Italy last year, was in Dubai and Doha in UAE the previous year. I would love to visit the Jamaica Islands and the Caribbeans someday soon. Tell me about what you do for fun/ relax. Do you enjoy traveling?. Do you enjoy any sport?. I look forward to your reply , till then be well.


Mail no.4;

Hope you are doing just fine?. Its been a great pleasure corresponding with you, i think its a good thing that we are both been opened to each other, i always thought the power of communication is often underestimated. Isn't it interesting what we have Learnt about each other in such a short time?.. I doubt if either of us would have shared as much if we had met in a pub.

I have had my fair share of hurts, but that would never stop me from trying again. This could be helped by the fact that i have seen some real good relationship. My parents dated since they were teenagers, got married and were inseparable till death. He (dad) never knew any other woman in his life time and same was it with mom.

I think I'll reply by telling my own story as well. The past 4 years is been the most difficult of my life, but now i look back and i realise how strong we humans can be. My parents both passed away in September and December 2011, Just before i could get over the lost, i got a shocking news from my sister that she is been diagnosed of cancer. It was a huge battle for survival but she is alive today and doing well. All through this time, i was still in the army and very active. I was hardly home, was only able to come for my mom's funeral and returned 3 months later for dad's. I was very sad as i felt he wouldn't have passed on so quick if i have been around to care for him but i was relieved of my guilt a bit because he told my ex wife just before he passed on how proud he was of me and that he understood how difficult it must have been for me to be away from the people i love. Just when i thought things could not get any worst, i returned home to Sweden from the U.S. where i have gone to visit my sister in hospital and my wife was waiting for me with the biggest shocker. She told me she is been seeing someone else and that she wanted a divorce, Her point was that i was always away. She told me frankly that she was no longer in love with me and that there was no way out but a divorce because she was already in love with someone else. I tried to safe my marriage but it was literally like fighting a lost battle. I did the needful (signed the divorce paper) and she got married the next week. It was very painful as i never saw it coming. I took to my work because it was the easiest way out of the whole nightmare, I got deployed in Pakistan, still with so much hurts in my heart. Just about 2 weeks there, something terrible happened that changed my life for ever.

I had a terrible accident in the line of duty, which caused a skull fracture. I was completely paralyzed and I lost consciousness, I was rushed to the hospital and placed in the intensive care unit. I remained in coma for several days while the doctors continued to fight for my life. The doctors had diagnosed internal bleeding in 95% of my brain. After about 8 days in coma, all the equipments and the sensors that were attached to my body indicated that I was dead. In their medical report, the doctors detected a hemorrhage that had spread all over my brain; all of the nine tests confirmed my death. I was dead for 30 minutes before i miraculously came back to live. After my recovery, i was discharged from the US army because the doctor think i will never really get back to how i was physically but early last year 15 different medical committees carried out medical checks on me, to determine if I could still work in any capacity in the force. The doctor's wanted to prove, that at least some side effects existed. It was impossible for everything to just vanish away without a trace. All their x-rays and investigations testified of complete health. Now you know why i call it a "Miraculous" recovery.

As you can see, My life hasn't been the best but i can look back and say that all that have happened to me in the past has helped me to be a better person. I see life differently now, i have been completely healed of all the hurts, i'm taking everyday as it comes and i always try my best to be good to everyone around me because not so many people who are lucky to have a second chance to life. Thanks for taking your time to read my long story, i felt its important you know this because it's easier to understand someone if know his/her story.

Do you have a yahoo messenger/msn?.. It would nice to chat with you via instant messages. I tried to log on to my match account to view your profile again but I couldn't for a reason I don't understand. I'm Glad I already have you here and I hope I won't be need to go on any dating site again. Till I hear back from you.

Cheers


Mail no.5; (starting to get suspicious I asked him a few questions)

It's such a delight hearing from you.. Hope you are good?. It's quite funny that you are just starting your day when mine is ending. To your questions

- What brought you to the army?

My father was in the military just as his father was too.. Growing up, I didn't see my self doing otherwise. It was such a honor to be able to serve my country and humanity in that capacity.

- What is it that you are doing at the DMZ in Korea, how do your days look like?

My every day is been more of the same since I have been here. I wake up at 0500, go to the gym, resume work at 0745 and work closes at 1645. After work, I have a voluntary duty at the gym working with injured officers on their rehabilitation. I have breakfast at 0915, lunch at 1400 and dinner at 1815. I also hang out with the younger guys at the common room playing pokers, ping pong and whatever game we choose before i go to sleep at 2200. At work, my team work with the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA in advisory capacity. So We study documents, analyze and make recommendations. I work Mondays through Saturdays and I have the whole of Sundays to my self.

- How tall are you? Can’t remember that detail from your account at the dating site.

I'm 183cm (6 ft )

I hope I answered your questions well, To get us going I have got some interesting questions for you as well.

1 High salary or job satisfaction?

2 Describe yourself. What do you think about yourself, and do you think people perceive you in the same way?

3 Which is your most favorite book ever?

4 Which is the one television character that you simply adore?

5 What kind of music do you like?

6 Which is your favorite genre of movies? (Comedy/Romance/Suspense/Action/Horror)

7 What do you do when you feel very sad or depressed?

8 What makes you angry? Are you short-tempered? How do you overcome your anger?

9 Which is the best vacation you've ever had?

10 If we were a couple and we had a fight, how would you try to patch things up?

Think that's enough for now, look forward to hearing what your answers would be. I think you should do yahoo messenger, that's what I have here and I hope it helps us correspond better. Till I hear back from you, be well.


And next;

Hey babe,

Hope you are good?. I'm getting used to waking up to your email and I'm liking it so much. I love your answers to my questions, again it shows that we have so much in common as your answers are very similar to what mine would have been if I was to answer them. I didn't like how some of my colleagues I told about joining an online dating platform responded, but it's their opinion and what I have found so far with you makes them sound very stupid.
I'm not sure if I have answered you well enough but you can be rest assured that I answered them honestly. To keep us going, I have got another round of questions for you.

1) What was your first impression about me?

2) How would you describe your version of a perfect home?

3) What qualities in men attract you most?

4) What’s your thought on marriage, do you still believe in it and would you consider remarrying?

5) Does your boss like you or does he take you for granted?

6) What is the wildest thing you have ever done?

7) Do you have any addictions?

8) If you were lucky enough to win the lottery, what would you do?.


That's all for now. Have a wonderful day ahead, till I hear back from you.

Be well


Next message;

Hi babe,

Hope the weekend is going well for you?. I'm glad I could excite you even without making an effort. My dad used to tell me that when I meet the right woman, every thing would feel right.. I never really understood that until now. I feel like we are meant for each other... Don't ask me why I think so because I don't know my self. I have never been this cool with any woman all my life, I have never seen you as a stranger even though we haven't met in person.

It's Sunday morning here and It's my day off. I will be going to the mass later this morning and have plans to relax as much as I can all through the day. Of course I have you in my thoughts and dream of meeting you in the nearest future. Will write you again in a bit. Bye for now


**followed by**

Hi again babe,

It's 1357 hr, Sunday afternoon here, I was at the chapel earlier, of course I did remember to say some prayers for you. I couldn't think of any questions when I was writing you earlier.. Now I have some thought off.

1. Are you willing to try different things?.

2. What your ideal first date?.

3. What would you consider as the worst thing that could happen in a relationship?.

4. If can, would you want more children of your own or adopted?.

5. Have you really been in love before?.

6. How would you describe your version of a perfect home?.

7. Is there anything you would like change about your self?.

I hope you'd enjoy what's left of the weekend.. Hope to hear back from you soon.

Cheers.


Next e-mail;

Good morning babe,

Hope you are good?. My day off was quite refreshing, had loads of rest and loads of time to think about you. Your message was as sweet as ever, you should see how I was smiling like a teenager. I can't remember missing home this much in a long time, tells how excited I am about you. No doubt we have had what I like to call a magical start, it almost like we have been waiting to find each other all our lives.I have to run now babe, you will be in my thoughts .

Cheers


And next one;

Hey babe,

Hope you are good?. I like you to know that you have gotten me really unsettled here in a very good way..I had a very busy Monday, Seems today is going be as busy also. I wasn't too busy to think about us though..and share some thoughts with you instead of asking questions of my own. I promised to share my thoughts with you, it's about what I crave for in a relationship. I thought it's beautiful even though some would say it can only exist in mere thoughts and dreams. I think there is nothing wrong in having sweet thoughts or dreams.. I hope you enjoy it as I take you through my thoughts.

I have always known that once in a life time we get to meet someone who is like a replica of us, the bible call it missing rib, scholars say it is soul mate. This person compliments you in every way and you feel so comfortable around them, they turn your world around and you find yourself telling them things you never thought you would be able to tell anyone, dreams, hopes, disappointments, fears, the list is endless, but this person doesn't get bored, instead they absorb what you have said and even want to hear more.They are the first person you think about when you wake up in the morning, and the last when you go to sleep, you always call them up when something happens, you want to share every success and loss with them, knowing they would be there no matter the weather, they cry with you when you are hurting and laugh when you are smiling, they call you handsome on your worst day.

They never hurt your feelings or make you feel like you are not good enough, but instead lend a hand to inspire you to reach the height which you have set for yourself and that zenith which you hope to attain. You feel so special around them and you cant wait to run home to them after a hard day at work. There is never pressure or competition or even jealousy because you both enjoy in each others successes, you don't worry about what they think about you because you know that they love you non the less. Songs make more sense, colors seem brighter, everything seems to be more meaningful, you seem to look at the world with a different spectacle (smiles). You laugh more and seem to walk with a bounce to your steps, because when you feel down all you do is make a phone call and everything is better and you get the strength to go through the rest of the day. Having them near by is all you crave for and in a room full of people, your eyes search them out, their interest becomes yours and you share in their excitements, you think about them 24/7 and simple things like sunset, water falls, rain brings the thought of them to mind.

You open up your heart knowing that it could be broken, but you experience a lot of love and joy that every other thing takes second place and the risk seems insignificant to the joy you are experiencing, you find that being vulnerable is the only way to allow your heart to feel true pleasure that is so real it scares you. But you find strength in knowing you have a true friend and possibly a soul mate who will remain loyal no matter the weather, and life is so sweet with them around memories are kept and cherished. Don't forget that we most times go through a lot of wrong people to get to the right one, how else can we explain sweet if we haven't tasted bitter. I better stop here before i bore you with my romantic mind, and which i regard as one of my weakness, being an emotional person. I believe the personality and the soul is what makes a person beautiful, it does not always have to be the physical appearances, beauty is like a book, it cannot be judged by its cover, I cant wait to hear your voice too and meet you soon. I want this to work right for us, I really do.

Have a good day. XOXO


--Wish I had done some google there but I didn't--

Next message that followed;

Hey babe,

I'm glad you feel that way about my message, though I didn't intend to impress you with it. I like how you tell me about your day, it makes me feel like I'm part of your life. I wish I could share mine with you as well but there is nothing interesting going on here. It's wrong to compare but I think I already have more in common with you than I did with my Ex wife and we managed to stay married for 5 years.

You are becoming more and more part of me everyday and that scares me as much as it makes me happy. I think about you every day, i ask my self how is this possible, i haven't even met you, is it possible to miss someone you have never met? or have feeling for someone you don't know...well you can't force you self to feel what you don't feel and you cant stop your self from feeling what you feel. Do you want me to tell you something really subversive?, Love is everything it's cracked up to be. That's why people are so cynical about it. It's really worth fighting for, being brave for, risking everything for. And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more... this is enough reason for me not be afraid.

I have always been a happy man, i have been happy even when there is no real reason to be. One thing i have missed so much is having that wonderful woman that can complete me and show me the love and care i deserve. I miss you so much this past few days and i keep wondering what you have done to me?.

I have decided to give us the chance and i'm ready to face all the challenges involve to make things work out. "The tragedy of life doesn't lie in not reaching your goal. The tragedy lies in having no goal to reach". I know what i want and i am sure you know what you want as well. I have a strong feeling that we could be to each other what we have always wanted.. I think we should give us the chance and let us see what happen after. Sorry if I'm been too direct, I told you I wear by heart on my sleeves and don't know how to pretend. Look forward to your reply. Have a lovely day. XOXO


Next message;

Hey babe,

How are you?.. I hope you are doing just fine?. It's been a very long week for me and I'm really looking forward to Sunday when I have my day off. How about you?.. What are you plans for the weekend?.. Anything interesting coming up?.

I think it's about time you looked for a way to download yahoo messenger maybe to your computer if the phone doesn't work. I saw some dude chat to his girlfriend earlier and I thought it was easy and fun. It's definitely going to be an upgrade to what we have now. Like I have always said, I haven't met so many ladies that know how to make a man smile like you do. Right now, I feel like I'm the luckiest dude in the whole of Asia. I have been told that I look happier several times since I have been corresponding with you and it's so true as you have made me very happy not just when I read from you but also when I think of you. Sometimes I feel like it's too good to be true but you probably feel the same way too.

Every day that goes by is another day closer to us meeting in person. Thanks so much for everything, you probably don't know how much impact you have in my life but only a special woman would have done this to me.. You woke all I thought was dead in me and you have given me more reason to want to see tomorrow.

Take care of your lovely self. Cheers


Hi babe,

Hope you had a great night. Thanks for your messages, you are just so sweet. You are right, the next step for us is meeting in person and it's certainly not going to be the usual first meeting. I feel like I have known you for years and that's magical. I'm truly and fully committed and I like you to know that I have started to work on coming home to you.

I'm going to keep this short because I have to go now, will write you more later. You are always in my thoughts making me happy.

Cheers


Next message;

Hi babe,

I'm glad you found a way to get the yahoo messenger installed. This shows your enthusiasm, commitment and doggedness which of course I'm very grateful for. We are going to have to fix a time to hookup for a chat.. Let me know when it's most convenient for you and i will work around my schedule to hookup with you. I will send you a request now which you can accept when next you sign on to the yahoo messenger.

I told a friend about you, She seems quite excited for us and said some really nice things. She said she also met her husband on a dating site and despite the wrong impression she had they both heat it off like us and are still together now after 3 years. It feels good to hear from someone who it worked for. lol
I can't wait to chat with you.. I bet there is still a lot to learn about each other.

Kisses
by Bryon Williams Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:42 pm
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by BelievedIt Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:57 pm
So having the Yahoo chat installed we began chatting, I found some of his talking there not to correspond with the way he wrote his e-mails. Bells began to ring... Also did some of previous facts not correspond when I asked same questions. Some questions were not to be answered either due to "military restrictions".
I understand now that he chatted with several of us at the same time but he claimed the internet connection to be poor as "he was at the common room using a computer there and got distracted by other guys".


When not available for chat he sent the following e-mail;

Good morning babe,

Hope you are good?. Sorry I haven't been in touch since our chat, I woke up feeling very sick and I have been at the sick bay. The doc said its nothing to worry about that I just need to rest more and I think I'm good now.

I really enjoyed our chat on yahoo, you'd agree with me that it's much more interactive. I miss you and I look forward to our next chat. Do have a lovely day babe, you are in my thoughts.

XOXO


--Now what REALLY made me uncomfortable and made all fire alarm bells to ring after having a chat where he told me that he'd rather see me than his daughter when arriving home (!! what kind of parent puts an not yet met internet date in first place when not seeing the daughter for months??) was this last message, which I googled and got cold shivers down my spine...:


Hey babe,

How was your night and hope you are doing so well this morning?. About the meeting with the admin guys, its just protocol there was nothing much into it. They wanted me to confirm that i sent in the request and asked how important is it for me to get the leave.

The connection was so disappointing last night and I have decided to write this to make up for the disappointment. I really think we will have a lot to talk about when i do get over to you. Even though we have managed to discuss so much, I still think its not really easy putting all my thoughts into writing. I keep thinking about the future, about life, and what I want out of it. I keep thinking about us and what this relationship means to me. I keep thinking about these things and I realize they go hand in hand. This relationship is my future; it's what I want out of life. I want to grow old with you. I want to experience this crazy feeling forever, and I really think I'm going to get to.

There are so many things i long to do with you.. the thoughts of doing them alone makes me happy. I think it will be cool to share this things with you..hope they make you happy too.....I want us to walk through new houses picking the one that would be just right for us. I want to see you walk around our house in a big t-shirt with your hair down and catch me staring at how gorgeous you are. I want you to pull the covers off me at night and then I have to get even closer, if it's possible, to you to keep warm. I want to see you laugh like crazy at me when I do stupid stuff.

I want to rub lotion all over your body because you laid out in the sun too long. I want to hold you when you cry and smile with you when you smile. I want to fall asleep every night with you in my arms. I want you to fall asleep on my chest listening to the beat of my heart and know it beats for you I want you to be the first thing I see when I wake up and the last thing I see when I go to sleep. I want to see your bad morning hair; I think it will be so cute. I want to sit on the beach with you and watch the sun set, and I want all the people who pass us to envy the love that we obviously have for each other.

I want to take your hand for the rest of my life. I want to spend all night, and maybe the next day, making love to you with an undying passion (sorry to be so blunt). I want to be sixty years old and still make out with you like a little schoolboy. I want to cook a meal with you and us totally ruin it and end up doing take out. I want to sit there talking to you for hours about nothing at all but in the same time everything or maybe we won't talk at all and just grin at each other realizing how lucky we are. I want you to get mad at me for doing something stupid, and I want you to bust out laughing when you try to yell at me.

I want to lay with you in front of a fireplace and keep the heat going long after the fire goes out. I want to take trips with you to places we've never been and experience them together. I want us to go skinny-dipping in a hotel pool and get caught and streak back to our hotel room waking everyone up because we're laughing so hard.. I want us to go and pick out the hot tub we want with the biggest grins on our faces the whole time.

I want the sales rep to get embarrassed when we sit in them and make sure we have enough room to do the things we want to do. I want our friends to come over and get totally jealous because they don't share a love like we do. I want us to run outside in the rain and act like total kids getting completely soaked, and when we come back in stripping down to nothing as we stumble into the bedroom, or the kitchen counter, or the balcony, or the dining room table, or an office desk, or the shower, which ever one we feel like at the time.

I want it to take your breath away every time I say, "I love you" because you know it's coming from the bottom of my heart. I want us to sit down with a box of strawberries, a bottle of chocolate syrup, and a thing of mint chocolate ice cream; well, I'll let your imagination finish that one. I want to love you and be with you for at least forever if not a little longer. So much more i want to do with you...can't just get everything into words at the moment, have a wonderful day babe. Looking forward to our chat later.


XoXo


That's when I uninstalled the chat program off my computer and did not, and have not and never ever will, respond to his following e-mail asking if anything happened to me and that he was worried.

Hey babe,

How have you been?.. Hope you had a great weekend?. I have not heard from you in a while and that kind of make me feel empty and I'm worried. Please get in touch as soon as possible .


----

Well, I am sorry to say that I got scammed but glad that I wasn't fooled for long and he did never get to the point asking me for money. (If I hadn't awaken earlier I sure would then).
This guy really has writing skills and I found it easy to be carried away.

His Facebook page with the Michalis name is no longer available, maybe as I notified admin that the page was fake. The dating site in my country is also notified.

Hope my "trip" may help someone else not to fall for the scam and I am so sorry for the real guy on the pictures this fake one attaches in his messages.

So to you all out there; chin up and do not EVER loose faith in meeting someone, a good hearted man because they are out there. Never loose your pride either ok!? The scammers are the ones who should be ashamed.

All the best from me to you!
by Bryon Williams Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:49 pm
Very good. :=)

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