Information on romance scams and scammers.
by MomsBeenScammed Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:12 am
Michael Dudley Naples FL originally from Holland, in the Netherlands. He has one daughter going to school in the UK. He is a Geologist doing contract work here in the states He has been here for 10 years. Says he is catholic.

This is another guy who has contacted my mother. His story doesn't check out but she won't believe he is a scammer. Has not asked for money yet...but he will.

He says he has been in the US for 10 years but I found a marriage in Naples, FL in 1985. First he said his daughter was 10 now he says she is 19 - because I questioned her visiting alone from the UK.
Daughter's name is Chelsea.

The daughter shows up for a visit with only 24 hours notice so he has to cancel and meeting with mom.
Then the daughter sends mom an email saying she is so happy that her father has met her and she makes him so happy.

I can see that he is setting her up but she won't believe me. This is the second guy this week she has told me about! I know both are scammers. Is there a website out there somewhere that scammers list people they have scammed so others can find them?
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by TerranceBoyce Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:27 am
Welcome to Scamwarners MomsBeenScammed.

Scammers aren't that well organised. Very often they work in loosely associated social groups, formed from their school days or, if they're operating from an internet cafe, they will help each other out with new characters if needed. They'll very often have friends and associates in other countries but never believe that where they say they're located is the truth. The only thing you can rely on is that whatever they say is likely to be a lie.

Getting a phone number is one way to get some idea of where they're based but the UK and the USA both offer phone re-direct services that scammers make wide use of, but it's always useful to get phone numbers from them to work out what's going on.

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by MomsBeenScammed Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:15 pm
Here are a couple of his emails to my mom

From: [email protected]
To: xxxxxx
Sent: 4/8/2013 2:50:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Hey Baby


Hi baby,

The day I saw your profile on the site is the day I will never forget. Over and over I replay our chat in my mind! You are so amazing you drive me crazy! You make me feel so happy and complete. If I hadn't met you. I know I'd still be searching... searching for you!

Ever since that special day, we have both grown in such a special way. And although I don't say it as often I want, I do want to say it now or else time will just pass me by again and I'll only keep wondering when. I want to say, "I love you, I need you, and I want you.

You have the key to my heart and one day, when we meet, we will never, ever be apart! Alas! To finally kiss your tender warm lips, to feel your gentle hands, to look into those soft eyes and know you are the one I've been waiting for! I Love you, Babe!

Yours and only yours,

Michael



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From: [email protected]
To: xxxxx
Sent: 4/5/2013 3:52:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Re: You Saw Me

Dear ,


If only I could have come up with the right words to describe the depth of this beautiful feeling that I have for you, I would have uttered them to you the first time I laid my eyes on you on the site . But, I lacked that knowledge, so the best thing that I can do is to show you how I really mean it now. I love you so dearly, sweetie. Do you know? You are the best thing that ever happened to me. You are like the best poetry ever composed, the best song ever played, the best picture ever painted. I never thought and expected that someone like me could get so lucky by finding you. How could I have known the comfort and the security of knowing that whenever I say "I love you," you're going to say the same words, too. I know that you love me too, I love you sweetie, more than my life... more than my world. You are my world. Life wouldn't be life if not shared with you. We may be far away from each other for now, but you have my heart and my love. And I know that I have yours, too. It just feels so wonderful knowing and believing that. Aren't we lucky? I love you... more and more each day.


Forever Yours,


Michael
by cape lady Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:43 am
I have had the very same e-mail from the same Michael dudley. We have been writing for 2 weeks tue and today he asked for money. Supposedly he is in Ca for a contract for a high dollar job and was needing document that he didn't have
(something new for this job) and he needed $2,000.00 more in order to get the job then WE would be rich together for the rest of our lives. I got the same story of 19 year old Chelsea and she also e-mailed me, Happy to have me in the family-called me ma and said I made her dad happy. I have plenty of E-mails printed but am not sure how to post them.
by MomsBeenScammed Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:22 am
Yes he told mom last night that he is "out of town" and just got a huge contract. Can't wait to get back to FL to see her.

This is what he told her about his parents:
His full name is Michael Scott Dudley His father's name was VanWagner and His mother's name was Grace. His parents never lived in the USA. He has only been here for 10 years. His wife died in Holland before he ever moved to the USA.
by cape lady Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:31 am
I really do believe he is a scammer. I sent him this site and a real long note telling him that I knew what he was up to and he called and had all kinds of explanations about how it wasn't true. that someone was just out to cause him trouble so he wouldn't get this job. He said that he didn't know who you were or that he wasn't talking to anyone else and that I was the only one for him. You might send it also and see what he has too say to your mom then.
by cape lady Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:36 am
The only thing that he has said about his parents is that his mother is 90 and his father died but taught him that a woman was the most beautiful thing and to be very romantic. He loves to cook and his favorite meal is spaghetti with meat sauce, salad and garlic bread.
by MomsBeenScammed Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:05 am
I didn't send mom the site but I did copy your response into an email to her. She told me that if he was talking to someone besides her she was done with him...I don't believe that but I can hope it at least put some questions into her head.

He is a scammer and I am sure of it!
by Dotti Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:24 am
Just to be clear:

He IS a scammer. There is no doubt about that.

We do not recommend telling scammers they are listed here. Doing so will only help encourage them to be prepared with lies when the next victim discovers the listing. Confronting a scammer is pointless--he has no conscience, or he wouldn't be doing what he does, and he lies for a living, so even if he "confesses" it will just be more lies.

The scammer is after cash. The women he targets are just a means to an end. He will declare his innocence and just move from one story to another, as long as he thinks there is even a slight chance he can convince you that he is real (which usually means as long as you continue to contact him.)

The best thing to do once you know you are dealing with a scammer is to cut off all contact with him. There is no need to explain--he is a liar and a thief, and he knows that perfectly well.

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by cape lady Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:52 pm
I am sure that your mom a I aren't the only ones. I wish there was a way to get more information to other women. He is very convincing. You might tell your mom to listen to all the noises in the background if he calls her. He actually told someone to shut the door while talking to me( he was supposed to be in a hotel room) he said it was room service but it was the tone of voice that he used. I have also heard a baby cry and squeaking cabinets or doors. Also this morning one of my email sites was hacked. Good luck and hope she is smart enough not to send him money. He got my profile from a dating site then had us both delete our profiles. He had sent a wink and I am sure to several women. Good luck
by MomsBeenScammed Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:00 pm
She has already been scammed by another romance scammer for all of her life savings. Now my sister manages what little income she has so her lights and things don't get shut off and she can't send him more money. She still communicates with that guy and he tries to get her involved in other scams too. She told me that she sent you an email on a dating site...not sure how she found you or if she really did. She says she wants nothing to do with him because he is talking to other woman. Only time will tell if that is true.

At any rate thank you so much for posting it may just help her or some other woman from getting scammed by this guy!
by cape lady Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:26 pm
I am not on any dating sites so she couldn't have emailed me. When Michael Dudley started writing, after a few days he asked me to remove my profile and he did also. He is still writing, supposedly will be back this weekend, but I'm sure that will change. Well keep me informed and I will do the same for you.
by junren71 Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:00 am
I can't articulate it exactly, but these guys use methods which are very similar to what cults do. They literally capture people, cut them off from anyone or anything else an already lonely person has very few or little of, and abuse their captives through one time professing early and flowery (overly so) romantic love, then being disappointed in them, then withdrawing affection from them, and finding any way possible to make them feel guilty when they don't get what they feel they are entitled to. They are also very passive-aggressive in that they will attack their captive in ways and if they are called on it, they very quickly find ways of diminishing the criticism, often saying they were just kidding or were misinterpreted, or it was the captive's fault, etc. All of these methods and others are designed to create a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. And those outside of the kind of "cult" they have created with their captive who question it become almost, if not actually, the enemy in their eyes.

I would watch very carefully the mother who said "if he was talking to another woman" then she wouldn't have anything to do with him. It would be very easy for the scammer to use that to draw her in even further.

I know some of this sounds like psychobabble, pseudo-religious, and political "mumbo jumbo," but I have lived as a captive in a romance scam. And I failed to act on certain military and clinical analytical skills until the very end, even though I saw every red light and red flag, and heard every blaring siren vividly. If I hadn't read this and other anti-scam web sites, I might still be floundering in it, because they have come at me again in other ways. Now I ignore them.

I wish you both the best.
by cape lady Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:26 am
Thank you for the advice. I hope michael dudley is done with me now. He call again last night and asked for the money again. He said if he didn't get the document needed for the job that he couldn't get the job in Fl but that he would have to take the one in Iraq or Afghanistan. He asked me if I wanted him to go there to get killed. I told him that he could cry and beg all he wanted but I was not sending money. After a few more minutes he hung up. Knowing what he was doing, I was almost laughing at some of the things he was saying as he tried to convince me to send it to him. Thanks to you and this site I was saved from loosing money to this scum.
Whenever I start writing to someone on a dating site I google them and go to other sites to check them out. I couldn't find anything at first but when I check (after he sounded more and more to good to be true) back this site and your message about him came up. Thank you and hopefully you can convince your mother. If I can be of help let me know.
by MomsBeenScammed Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:45 am
Thanks to both of you! I am hoping seeing that this man is doing this to others mom will understand that he is scum.

junren71 thanks so much for your post. This really helps me to better understand why mom is still communicating with Daniel Antoni after 9 months of his lies and broken promises. She has given him her life savings but continues to talk to him. Now she is involved with this Michael Dudley...she seems to lean towards this type of person. Your discription of "Stockholm Syndrome" seems to be so true!

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