Information on romance scams and scammers.
by TheDaughter Thu May 30, 2013 6:17 am
Hi!

I'm new to this site, I'm a Danish citizen and I'm not even directly related to the US, however I'm in need of your help since these scammers have no boundaires..

Here's my mother's story:
My mom is a 59 year old widow - her late husbond died from cancer in 2011 - and she's been on a couple of Danish dating sites for about 6 months, I think.
In early January she met a man online, connected with him - also IRL - and of course developed feelings for ham, she's a very vulnerable person. Successful in her professional life but I'm afraid she feels lonely in her personal life without a man. Anyway, this man called off the relationsship shortly after it began and she was rather upset about it, understandably, but shortly after this happened I noticed she was texting all the time so I thought she'd probably already 'met' a new man online and was writing with ham. No harm in that.
Though I felt a bit concerned and I remember thinking that I hoped she was aware of all the scammers and criminals out there. I was afraid she wouldn't think of or know all the hazards you can put yourself in..

In April my oldest son (he's 6 years old) tells me that grandmother has a new boyfriend. And he's American.
The part about a new 'boyfriend' didn't surprise me since I knew she's already texting a lot and so on.
My husbond and I then asks her if she has met a man and what's the story - we're curiously hoping she'd found a good man - not yet knowing what's going on.

And here comes the scam..
He's an American building constructor working i Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. He claims to have lived in Denmark when they met online (late February and early March) and that he has an adress here and that he'll be coming back when the building project is finished.
This man has of course told her how much he loves her, that he's a widower (of course..), wants to marry her and live in Denmark with her and yeah, promised her the moon, but it didn't take long before he had to 'borrow' money to pay some taxes, later it was materials that were stolen from the construction site where he's employed and now he's asking for $1500 for cab fees to get the materials to the construction site! It's insane that she believes him!
She's tried to ask questions regarding the materials, were they not insured and so on, but he manages to convince that it's not normal procedure to insure a construction site. The crazy part is that her son, my younger brother, is a carpenter, she asked him about stolen materials and insurance and she KNOWS that insurance is necessary.
His English varies a lot. From an English with proper spelling and grammar to something that's so obviously not written by a US citizen. My mother speaks English almost fluently, like a second language, so it's not that she can't see it because of a language barrier, but she concludes that the bad spelling is because he's tired, stressed out, frustrated and so on.
Sometimes his English is perfect but very formal or looks like it's a (love) text he's copy-pasted. It's only when he talks about 'infinite love and forever and ever' his English has just a bit of punctuation and grammar.
He's even managed to send her the same lovetext twice within a few days.. She must be so blind!?

How do I know all this!?
I must admit that I've read a lot of their email correspondance, I hate that and I feel like I've 'broken into her privacy' however I didn't know what else to do and I needed to be sure that it in fact is a scam.

I've contacted the US embassy in Kuala Lumpur, they're very helpfull and have provided me with links to other sites and they've offered to verify his ID if we can get him to email a copy of his passport. Or at least the name and adress of his hotel. However they also believe this is a scam.
I've also contacted her bank today and they also want to help so I'm calling them later today. All the money she has given him is transferred via Western Union.

I hope that some of you can help me. I'm afraid my mom is so 'lovestruck' that she'll be unable to resist his pressure for more and more money and I need solid proof before I can confront her with my knowledge.

His name is Robert Johnson and his email is: [email protected]
I also have his phonenumber and I have seen a slip from a postoffice where he's stated as Robert Ting.

Can you help me in some way? I'll provide further info if needed - also pictures.

Thank you for your time.
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by MomsBeenScammed Thu May 30, 2013 7:31 am
post the email headers and phone numbers here, there are lots of experienced people on this site that can help you.

My mother was scammed by a Nigerian scammer. You need to get her black listed from Western Union so she can't send further funds. Notify her bank so they will not wire money.

Best of luck to you!
by TheDaughter Thu May 30, 2013 8:29 am
Thank you for replying, Momsbeenscammed. So sorry to hear that your mom's been scammed as well.

I didn't know you could get blacklisted from WU, but I'll try that. I'm calling her bank so they'll probably be able to help me with that, thanks!

I'll post a couple of emailheaders. First a header from an email received early this morning and also one from an email sent while he alledgedly was in Denmark. The part about him beeing in DK I'd really like to get proof of since I know she's already been questioning him about his Danish address so this could get her to open her eyes. Just a little bit.

I'm so glad I found this forum, thanks.
by TheDaughter Thu May 30, 2013 8:41 am
Header:

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Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 65.55.90.148; identity alignment result is pass and alignment mode is relaxed) [email protected]; dkim=none (identity alignment result is pass and alignment mode is relaxed) header.d=hotmail.com; x-hmca=pass [email protected]
X-SID-PRA: [email protected]
X-AUTH-Result: PASS
X-SID-Result: PASS
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From: robert johnson <[email protected]>
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Subject: RE:
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 02:50:18 +0000
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Honey i do understand everything you mean and honey after this am sure this=
is nothing we happen again because this is just last step for us honey and=
if i can have the money and paid the cab man i can get back to work and ge=
t done and get paid honey and come home to you honey hope you understand th=
at honey after this honey i will be done and come honey to you and sort out=
all our dept honey..i love you forever and you are my everything honey...k=
isses and hugsLove you forever ...Your King

Please note his English in the text above, this email was sent to her this morning..

What I can see when googling the IP adress is that is is a fixed IP located in Redmond, WA.
But what does that mean? That it will appear as a US adress no matter where in the world he might be?
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by TheDaughter Thu May 30, 2013 8:58 am
This is a header from an email sent in early March in the beginning of all this:

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Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 65.55.90.143; identity alignment result is pass and alignment mode is relaxed) [email protected]; dkim=none (identity alignment result is pass and alignment mode is relaxed) header.d=hotmail.com; x-hmca=pass
X-SID-PRA: [email protected]
X-AUTH-Result: PASS
X-SID-Result: PASS
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by TerranceBoyce Thu May 30, 2013 10:01 am
It's a serious problem and potentially dangerous, but becoming confrontational with your mother may only make matters worse as others who have been affected by relatives being scammed will be able to tell you.

Once the victim has been 'hooked' they will defend their situation particularly if it appears to fulfil a dream they have. To an outsider it may appear ridiculous but it happens very frequently. The one thing you don't want is for your mother to consider you an enemy. She is going to be harmed emotionally and all you can do is reduce the financial harm she will suffer.

You may not be able to stop her making any payments but if you suggest this service to her as a means to protect the money being stolen from her 'lover' it will also prevent him getting his hands on it as payment is only made at a US Embassy against ID.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72300

The scammer will fight against it like mad, but if you can sell it to your mother as a way to help her make payment, it may have a better chance of working than just telling your mother her dreams are false. Losing any money may seem foolish, but it's important to place a block on how far he can go because, be in no doubt, he will take every cent of money she has, if he can.

CAR ADVERTS - If a car seller mentions escrow - he's scamming you Never ever for any reason pay anything until you have seen and inspected the vehicle
by TheDaughter Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:29 pm
I'm completely lost here..

We have to tell my mother that the man she thinks is Mr. Right is a scammer.
Not only will he break her heart but she'll forever be reminded of this since she's given him her savings, I'm so sorry and so scared and so very furious!
I don't know what to do or say to her. I've sent her something about the option of wiring money via US Department of State and she's forwarded it to him asking if he knew this was a possibility. He replied with a link to an Enrique Iglesias song which he dedicated to her. I'm speechless, why can't she see something is wrong!??

I've contacted the company he claims to have worked with while staying in Denmark, they told me confidentially that they don't have any records of him neither as a customer, supplier or employee.
I know my mother contacted the company back in March but they never replied, however I hope that this 'evidence' will help convince her but what do we do when the cat's out of the bag?

I'm so concerned for her reaction that I'm almost having second thoughts about revealing all this.

Does any one have any advice at all?
by jolly_roger Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:59 am
I'm sad to read of your predicament TheDaughter. I am sending you a Private Message.

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