scammers on gumtree

The email's I got from a camper van that was for sale on gumtree.

Re: Reply to your ad: VW transporter camper 04 174 bhp
23 messages
Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:06 PM
To:
Hello,
Its still for sale. Immaculate condition, no scratches, no damages, nothing to worry about. All necessary documents available. My current location is Scotland due to my work commitments, delivery is available at my costs within UK as long you agree with the request price.
Thank you

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM, <> wrote:

Hi there Peter , you have received a reply to your Gumtree posting "VW transporter camper 04 174 bhp" (ad# 66950774) from John <>:

Have you sold the camper and have you got a phone number to talk to you about it.
John

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To: Michael <[email protected]>
Yes the price great I will have it
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:46 PM
To:
You can view more photos at:
http://s1034.photobucket.com/albums/a42 ... r04174bhp/
If this is going to be a quick sale, I will let it go for £3,600 delivered at my costs.
Are you familiar to eBay? I will list the van on eBay Motors for the £2,650 buy it now price and I will send you a link to my auction, so you can buy it immediate.
As soon as you will confirm the payment to eBay, I will proceed delivery without any additional costs for you.
In case you are not familiar with them, please read their Buyer Protection and will see that they cover 100% the transaction done through them up to £50,000. You will receive the van along with all the documents. As you know eBay is the best company of online transactions. If indeed interested in buying it and have the funds, I will list it on eBay, as I have a 100% positive feedback with them.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
Ebay will be fine tell me when it is on ebay
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:51 PM

will get it listed in a few minutes, will let you know.
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Hi,
Listing was completed, you should have the confirmation email from eBay, please let me know if you got it. check also spam folder due to internet traffic it may be got caught there.
Thank you

Michael
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
Its in my spam box but message WARNING says

Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal information.


what does this mean please help me
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Spam filters, I get all my messages in spam folder you can mark as no spam to see it.
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
can you tell me why ebay motors isnt at this link http://motors.ebay.co.uk/

& the one with your campervan is at

http://ukprivatelst.com/eb/usrcontent/i ... E0E559FF=0


can you help me with this?

thanks
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Yes its a private listing and this is the link that eBay provided for my listing.
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Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:18 PM
To: Michael <[email protected]>
And the private listing page wont let me log in with my eBay account & theres no Buy it now button

can you help me with this?

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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:38 PM

you go to the listing and hit the buy it now button to secure the van, there is no need to login into your account.
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
there is no buy it now button & only a pay for it now button
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM
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yes and if you click that you will get the payment page, also a confirmation invoice will be sent to your email so you can arrange payment when possible. no need to pay on the place.
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
ok
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
I clicked on it no invoice


this was on the page I clicked

Full Name:
Joseph Ward
Address: 19 Mountbatten Drive
City: Colchester
County: Essex, CO2 8BH
Country: United Kingdom

1.
Locate the nearest Money Gram office here.
2.
Make payment with cash using the eBay Representative information.
3.
After you complete the transfer fax eBay at +44 (0)207 117 1708 the following:

- Money Gram Receipts
- Confirmed Shipping Address


Payment Method: Money Gram Money Transfer
Payment Instructions: Payment must be confirmed within 24 hours after winning the auction.
Available actions: Complete payment.
Seller says: After eBay will confirm the payment I will start the shipping process.


Item #

Item Title

Quantity

Price

Amount
120513276341

VW transporter camper 04 174 bhp

1

£GBP 3,600.00

£GBP 3,600.00
Shipping and handling via Shiply Limited CO.TM:

£0
Total:

£GBP 3,600.00


[contact]
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:05 PM
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Yes now you have secured the van, these are the payment instructions, can you confirm your full delivery address please ?
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
Can I come and pick it up
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:13 PM
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Hi,
This is the only way I can sell it at this moment, I can only have it delivered and deal through eBay.
Thank you

Michael
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
where can i view the van & can i have the registration number please so i can insure it
thanks
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To: Michael <[email protected]>

You said this below
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If this is going to be a quick sale, I will let it go for £3,600 delivered at my costs.
Are you familiar to eBay? I will list the van on eBay Motors for the £2,650 buy it now price and I will send you a link to my auction, so you can buy it immediate.
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Ebay price was £3.600 you said £2.600 ?
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Michael <[email protected]> Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM
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My mistake, fist said 3600 and then 2650 but price is 3600..
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To: Michael <[email protected]>
where can i view the van & can i have the registration number please so i can insure it
thanks





More to come I will just keep him hoping I will give him the money

Posters e-mail address removed (x25) - M

He's even registered a fake shipping website using that e-mail addie mentioned here

http://db.aa419.org/fakebanksview.php?key=50964

Very sloppy work.

I have contacted a few camper van ads on gumtree and they seem to be all scams with out the phone numbers.
Thanks GomerPyle for your post.
And hear is another email address that sent me the same stuff [email protected]

The site he has provided you is fake and will be taken down shortly. Thanks for letting me know

Have you contacted ebay or the hosting company

Guys, watch out. This guy is smarty pants and he is scammer!

He uses a name of Michael Anton and his second email is [email protected].

He tried to sell this catering van on gumtree: http://www.gumtree.com/london/03/66992203.html

No phone, no personal contact.

I received exactly the same emails as mentioned above.

Watch out!

Hope it will help the rest of normal people to do business!

Mil

I have also had a similar scammer on vivastreet...

here it is:

Angelo Sangiorni

6 Dec 2010


Hello,
I will start my email by telling you that I'm currently out of town so pick up isn't an option. The caravan is located in Scotland and I will get somebody to deliver it to you.. no problems.. The price total including delivery for it is L2,400.
If this is going to be a quick sale, I will let it go for £2,400 delivered at my costs.
Are you familiar to eBay? I will list the van on eBay Motors for the £2,400 buy it now price and I will send you a link to my auction, so you can buy it immediate.
As soon as you will confirm the payment to eBay, I will proceed delivery without any additional costs for you.
In case you are not familiar with them, please read their Buyer Protection and will see that they cover 100% the transaction done through them up to £50,000. You will receive the van along with all the documents. As you know eBay is the best company of online transactions. If indeed interested in buying it and have the funds, I will list it on eBay, as I have a 100% positive feedback with them.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you


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me

Hi, can you answer me what condition the caravan is in from 1 to 10 for the exterior and 1 to 10 for the interior.

are all the carpets and upholstry original?

does everything work ok, are there any faults at all.

are there any scratches or bumps or anyrthing to the exterior?

I have to rely on photos of the caravan for now.

So can you send me some bigger and higher quality photos of the caravan, try to take about 100 [ one hundered ] pictures of the biggest size you can 2400 x 1600 would be good?

The more pictures the better for me to study them and see if all is good really.

Pictures of the inside of the fridge the inside of the grill, oven, close up of the hob, the sink and taps, any electric appliance, the heater, under the seats, the exterior, inside the front gas cover, anywhere and everywhere, even underneath the van would be great.

pics of all around the exterior would also be real good.

If I do like the look of the pictures I would then need to have an independant caravan specialist come and view the van and test it out fully and do a damp test on it. Is that OK for you?

Thanks,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



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Angelo Sangiorni

Mate I work an on oil rig. the van is now in an warehouse waiting to be shipped. Ebay will deliver it and handle the payment. No payment will be released in my direction until you confirm that you will keep the van. Also the van is 10+ on the inside and 10+ on the outside.



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me

You say that Ebay will pick it up then deliver it to me and then they will pay you?

Who is at the warehouse to let them in? can't they let me in to view it?

If you think I should be so trustworthy, then I think that I will buy your van if it is a 10+ interior and 10+ exterior.

Send it down to me and if it is as you have described I will then pay you the £2400.

Deal or no deal?

Cheers,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>




Angelo Sangiorni <[email protected]> wrote:


you will pay ebay and ebay will release the funds in my bank account after you confirm that you will keep it. if you don`t wanna keep it they will just give you a refund. simple. I`m not asking you to send any money in my direction.

I have just found this guy on VivaStreet. He is claiming to be on an oil rig...See below - Beware hes a scam! selling caravans......The webiste he sends you too is also part of the scam - http://gsc.delivery.de.be/
Site will be reported - Michael

Email address is [email protected] and his name is Angelo Sangiorni Angelo [email protected]

Hello!
The caravan is in custody GSC Delivery . I work on an oil platform and can not come home only once every two months. The caravan will be delivered with all necessary documents.The caravan is already at the transport company,and ready to go anywhere in uk. So you can either come pick it up yourself 1-2 day or I can take care of the transport for you. This is why I need to sell with GSC Delivery because all transportation charges have already been paid by me. Delivery may take anywhere between 4 to 6 business days depending on the destination. All documents you need for ownership, title, manuals and bill of sale will be provided along with the caravan.As I know that my current situation is pretty hard at work
, I want the deal closed only through GSC Delivery Buyer Protection Program. They will keep your money into a protection account until you get the caravan and will release it to me ONLY AFTER inspection period is over and you agree to keep the caravan. So, this is not a blind transaction, you can physically see the caravan before committing to buy and to eliminate any concerns you will have 5 days to inspect the caravan. If you decide not to keep it GSC Delivery will refund you the money, no questions asked, and transport back will be my concern. I think this is more than fair for both of us.
I'll start the official procedure, and company will contact us about this in less than 24 hrs.
If you are interested in buying it just mail me back with:
- Your Full Name - Required by the staff of GSC Delivery (You'll receive important guidelines + instructions from them.)
- Your Shipping Address and Phone Number - Required by the company (They will contact you with delivery/pickup instructions 1 day ahead so you can communicate what time schedule work best for you to receive the caravan) .Again I want to point out that because of my service can not come.I want a fast transaction, with no delays. That is why I decided to lower the price, to avoid wasting time with negotiations and find a buyer as soon as possible.

Thank`s
A good day

Welcome pkenty!

Did you receive any emails from the fake shipping company? If so, can you post here with headers? Our site killers love to take down fake delivery sites, and the more evidence of scamming they have the better their chances of getting them killed quickly.

Same scam currently on gumtree, this time the idiots name is Caty apparently.
Listing is for a 2007 Silver T5 transporter professionally converted for £5,500. Ad appears to be taken down at the moment.

Here is the ebay link sent to me:
http://ebprvlstuk.com/cgi/0/index2.php? ... E0E559FF=0

Email 's I received:

Them

Hello,
Its still for sale. Immaculate condition, no damages, nothing to worry about. All necessary documents available. My current location is Scotland due to my work commitments,If this is going to be a quick sale, I will let it go for £5,500 buy delivered at my costs. Are you familiar to eBay? I will list the camper on eBay Motors for the £5,500 buy it now price and I will send you a link to my auction, so you can buy it immediate.
As soon as you will confirm the payment to eBay, I will proceed delivery without any additional costs for you.
In case you are not familiar with them, please read their Buyer Protection and will see that they cover 100% the transaction done through them up to £50,000. You will receive the camper with all the documents. As you know eBay is the best company of online transactions. If indeed interested in buying it and have the funds, I will list it on eBay, as I have a 100% positive feedback with them.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you

my response

Thanks for the reply, can you answer the following questions for me:

Reason for sale and how long you have had the van?

How many owners the van has had?

Has it been in any accidents?

When was the conversion carried out?

Is there a service history?

I would want to get an RAC inspection completed on the van to confirm everything is ok and then assuming it all checks out would be happy to complete the transaction as per your email.

Can you send me an address where the van can be inspected and a contact telephone number, I will then organize this.

If you want to contact me to discuss I think you have my number still from the previous inquiry.

Them

Service history available, 2nd owner of it, owner for 2 years, never involved in any type of accidents. real bargain, everything works. Due to my location and since view is not an option I have requested personal support and I was approved to use Buyer Protection Program. Here is how the process works through the Buyer Protection Program:

- I make the private listing on eBay for you,
- you go and buy it through their website,
- you have to pay for the item to eBay to secure the funds,
- they confirm me that they received the funds,
- I deliver the van,
- you receive the van,
- they send me the money,

Everything is covered by eBay. I will get paid only after you confirm that you received the van in good order.
Let me know if this is acceptable. Thank you

My Response
I'm keen and happy with that, just need an address to get the inspection completed? If u send me that we can proceed.
Thanks.

Them
Here is the link:

2007 VW T5 TRANSPORTER CAMPER



Thats it so far, let you know what else i get.

The ebay page they sent to you isn't a real one. The scammers built their own website with a page that looks like ebay, with altered details to fit their story. We'll report it and try to get it offline.

Just wanted to post same/similar scam on ebay

after enquiring about vw caravelle 9 seater 279.000 milage but looked really nice i gave my number but asked for theirs,£3200 was the price,im not one for knowing value but when i seen this it looked good to what i had been looking for & seemed great value for money,anyhow i got in touch but when i came home from work the van had gone from ebay...gutted,then it reapeared few days later without pics but i knew the details so knew it was same...thought it must of been some glitch on ebays part so emailed them on their email address...again looked later & nada...disapeared,so this morning just checking emails & this started :-

Hello,
Are you still interested ? The VW is still for sale .
Thank you

John

Hi John,yes im interested & would love to arrange a viewing,my number
is *********** or mob **********,if you could send me your number i
can phone you up
i live in ********** but could arrange to see the vw sometime this
week....thanks *********

Here is how the process works:

- you give me your full name and shipping address
- I start the transaction with the eBay,
- they send further payment instructions,
- you have to pay for the item to eBay to secure the funds,
- they confirm me that they received the funds,
- I deliver the VW,
- you receive the VW,
- they send me the money.

Everything is covered by eBay. I will get paid only after you confirm that you received the transpoter in good order.
Let me know if this is acceptable and if yes then we have a deal at 3,200 total delivered. Thank you

Hi John,ive never done business on ebay this way but could you tell me
how ebay can hold the funds untill the deal is done,thanks *********

They keep your money safe until you will confirm that you received the VW in good order . I`ve done a couple of times in the past 6 months and I didn`t had problems.
let me know if you are still interested to do it on this way.
Thank you

John

John im a bit old fashioned i need to see the VW first...if i like it i
will pay cash/bankers draft
im sorry i cant do the deal the way you would like
If you could phone me maybe we could arrange to meet up to do a deal
thanks **********

& then scam was cornered like a rat:-

I understand you no wories . I will do it on my way with somebody else , sorry for loosing ur time.

now i am a bit naive & i was along for the ride until he mentioned ...... pay upfront

now i know 99% wont fall for this **** but i then thought what about the 1% ??

i take it email address is untracable??

hope this helps

Oh yeah missed one of their emails out:-

Hello,
The VW Transporter is still for sale. Immaculate condition, no damages, nothing to worry about. All necessary documents available. My current location is Scotland due to my work commitments. If this is going to be a quick sale, I will let it go for £3,200.00 delivered at my costs.
The deal will go strictly according to eBay Buyer Protection rules and policy.
Thank you

I thought the van was mine here

Welcome to Scamwarners, lemonada!
I'm glad that you didn't fall for this scam!
Would you please post the scammers' email address, so that it shows up on google for other potential victims to find?

sure thing :- yee hah

[email protected]