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by brokenheart47 Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:23 pm
Thank you Dotti. Is there anyway that an average person like myself could spot this by looking at the headers? Also, is it possible to locate the person who's photographs they are using?
by Dotti Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:52 pm
You can copy the entire header, and paste it into this site: http://www.iptrackeronline.com/header.php

However, a few points you need to keep in mind:
-If the scammer is using gmail, you won't be able to get a location from the headers. It will always show up as California. There are other ways to get a location, but they are a little more complicated. Be suspicious of any Yahoo that shows as California too--usually that means you are getting yahoo's headquarters and the real location is stripped.
-If the person claims to be in US, Europe, Afghanistan, or Iraq, but their location shows up as Africa or Malaysia, it is a guarantee you are dealing with a scammer.
-the reverse is not true. If the location appears to match, it is not a guarantee he is not a scammer. Some scammers do use online proxies or software to hide their location, just in case the victim knows how to check. For example, if he claims to be in the US, and his location shows up as US, he could still be a scammer, using a US-based proxy.
-Some scammers will pretend to be on a trip to the country they are really in, so that their location doesn't cause any suspicion. For example, a few days after he starts contact, a scammer posing as an American may suddenly announce he is taking a trip to Africa. Of course, he has really been there all along. Sometimes, by checking the emails from BEFORE he supposedly left, you will be able to confirm.
-If you are in contact with someone, and you discover he is a scammer using his email headers, DO NOT TELL HIM. If he knows he is getting caught that way, he will start disguising his location for future victims, making it harder for them to learn the truth.

In some case it is possible to locate the original in the photos, more often it is not, unless he is using a top military official. If you post them, we'll give it a shot though.

Need to post photos? http://scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3219
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by kepteyesopenedwide Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:51 pm
At one time I knew how to get the headers in my yahoo mail and for the life of me, I CANNOT remember how to do it. If you could please remind me how to get them, I would gladly post the emails he sent me! If there's anything else I need to do, please tell me. I have alot goin on so not normally online til my evening (Indiana time) but will post or do whatever I have to do to help stop him/her/them/it!!
by kepteyesopenedwide Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:50 pm
In the middle of the night my phone went off...it was a "text" message coming from his email/messenger to my phone number I forwarded it from my phone to my email I set up just for him and when I logged in to it to get this, I found an email he had written:
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FRM:[email protected]
MSG:hey baby, This is David can you please come online to chat?? i miss you so much,

Here's the email:
hey
From: David Webb <[email protected]> View Contact
To:


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Hey baby,
Sorry for not being online since, having network issues. Where have you been?? no emails nothing and i was thinking i will see you online today to explain the last email i got from you but you re not online, i guess you will be sleeping by now but i have really miss you, when are you coming online? Have i done something wrong or what?? Cuss i was wondering when i didnt receive any email from you for the past few days now, i think something is going wrong somewhere, How is (named my mom and kids) doing oh less i forget (named my nephew) as well? hope they are all doing fine...Am really happy to send you an email again, LOVE YA Forever and Always

Here's the email I had sent him last week asking for some explanations before I discovered all this was going on. I have not and will not respond to anything I get from him....just waitin to see what I hear I should or need to do next from you guys!!

I LOVE YOU BABY!!!
From:
To: David <[email protected]>


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Hey Baby! I love you and miss you sooooooo much!!!! Hope you had a good day and are sleeping soundly right now! You've been on my mind alot today, alot more than usual actually. Don't know if it's coz I didn't talk to you today or if it's coz I know tomorrow is Veteran's Day. I'm so thankful for ALL men and woman who have and who are serving our country, and am so very proud to have a soldier in my life that I am so head over heels in love with! Just got home from a veterans day program at the elementary school. There were a couple of guys from our area that spoke briefly and the choir sang some patriotic songs. It was nice. It did bring a few quesitons to mind tho. There's alot of things we've not really talked about and like I said before I am a military spouse virgin!

1. What is your APO address? They said tonight EVERY troop/soldier has one and that's that how they know who is deployed where by their APOs.
2. What is your unit called and the commanding office you serve? Now that I think about it, if you are living in Greensburg, where are you stationed and why did I have to send the boxes you still have not gotten to AZ?
3. EVERY soldier has access to call home free or of very little cost and have access to the latest technology like webcams to stay in touch with their families back home. Why don't you if that's the case?
4. Each and every soldier has access to their bank accounts back home. I know you said you lost your credit card, but how do you get the stuff you need over there? And with this particular item I still don't understand why I had to have money sent to me and then sent to yet another country...why the wives couldn't send it themselves if not to their husbands, why not their commanders secretary like I had to send those boxes?

Then all that, along with couple things that have happened thats been on the news regarding online things, got all the gears in my head turning and my mind thinking. This info you don't have to tell me if you don't want to cause it's really none of my business but yet at the same time if we're going to spend the rest of our lives together I feel I have a right to know.

1. Is the nanny in your house living with johnny or is he living with her at her house? Where is your house?
2. How do you pay the bills for your house?
3. How do you pay the nanny?
4. What is the nanny's name, age, and marital status?

Just hoping I can get your reply and answers to help ease my mind after the program tonight! Not that I don't believe you on anything you have told me. I love you with all my heart and like I have told my boys from day one, until I have reason to think you are lying to me about things, I have to have faith and believe you. NOTHING has made me think you've lied to me about anything but these things I have asked in this mail tonight are just things we've never talked about. If you have ANYTHING at all you want to ask me, all you have to do is ask coz I have nothing to hide and would answer anything you asked! I LOVE YOU MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF SO PLEASE DONT THINK I DON'T JUST BECAUSE I'VE ASKED THESE THINGS TONIGHT!!!!

I love you, David Webb Qiums, with all my heart and soul!!!!

ALWAYS & FOREVER!!!!
by David Jansen Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:59 am
Thanks for posting these e mails. Here's a guide to find headers in yahoo:

the old version:
• Log into your Yahoo! Mail account.
• Click on the email and open it
• On the bottom right corner is a link called "Full Header"
• Once you click on "Full Header" the header will show up at the top of the email message.

the new version:
• Click on the Inbox to see the list of your messages.
• Click on the message and open the email.
• On the top right corner of the email message you will see "Standard Header" and an arrow next to it. Click on this arrow and then click on "Full Headers"
• A new window will open with the header information.
Last edited by David Jansen on Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:04 am, edited 1 time in total.

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by kepteyesopenedwide Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:11 pm
Sorry have not been back to post my headers I just have myself so sick over all this. I didn't think it would bother me as much as it has since I had my eyes opened. Guess I fell for him harder and deeper than I thought even tho in the back of my mind I knew the possibility of him not being who he said he was was there.

helloMonday, August 30, 2010 5:39 AM
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Hello ,
How are you my dear, are you tired, are you ok?' and lots of questions like these I always ask you. Not because I just want to ask or curious, but every question comes from inside of my heart. I know we are so far apart from each other and I try so much to be with you. I know, this is so hard but nothing on earth can make me lose my true love for you.
Although we've never met in person, I still really love you. I don't know when I started to love you, it started with sending e-mails to you everyday wishing you a good morning and good night with a lot of feeling in them. Then, one day, I found myself loving you and couldn't stop this feeling. Just you knowing me more and more each day and how you understand me in everything, that's why I love you more and more. Every time you say hi, you brighten my life.
The distance is our problem but if we look at it in a different view, we will know this is the thing that can prove our true love. It's not so long, every dream will be come true and we will smile with a tear of happiness together when we talk about the past,I will wait for the day we are together and I hope you will wait for me.
KISSES AND HUGS
DAVID CARES

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Hello ,
It's the middle of the day and I was thinking about you, as usual. I want you to know how much I sincerely love the countless hours we spend talking. It means so much to me. It truly seems like I've known you forever and I honestly can't imagine life without you now. There will be no looking back, no second thoughts and no regrets.I have come to feel this things in heart,things that are usual. Sometimes life hits you with unexpected things that take you totally by surprise. All I can say is you're the best surprise life has given me and your capacity for love, caring, and understanding never ceases to amaze me. I've truly been blessed by finding you and I'll never let you go.
Kisses and Hugs
David Cares

There are lots more, if you want them I will post them
by brokenheart47 Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:53 pm
Dear "Kept" - my heart is sad for you. I can honestly say that I do understand how you feel both before and now. I was just crushed for awhile myself and now find that even though some of the sting is gone, there is this shadow of doubt over all my interactions with people now. I find myself always questioning the honesty of just about everyone I come in contact with. Please know that you are not alone in this. Unfortunately, this person or persons have left a large wake of destruction in their path. I wanted to share one thing I did that might help you though. Regardless of whether you hear from "David" again or not, you might try just writing a goodby letter. I wrote one knowing I would never receive a response but it helped me pull all this poison from my soul and find some closure. That was the only way I knew I might start healing. Here is the last letter I sent to "David" after I discovered the truth. I hope that this helps you but I'm always here to listen if you need a friend. Have a wonderful holiday :) ......

Final Letter to David-
Since I am not even sure who is receiving this, I will skip the usual address. I have spent the past couple of days thinking about what I would write you in this letter. Regardless of whether you have the courage to read this or not, I am not writing for your benefit, but for mine.

I have processed a lot of feelings regarding you and the way you managed to turn my peaceful little world on it's head for a little while. I will admit that I felt nothing short of the deepest hate and anger towards you and while I have let most of that go, there is still a part of me that will always hold that against you. I hope at some point in your life, it finally hits you and you realize how much pain and devastation you have caused with your pathetic existence. While you did know many things about my life, one thing that we never talked about was religion. If we had you would know that I am the high priestess of a very powerful coven in my country and we have spent the past two days asking that your deeds to myself and others be repaid to you 1000 fold. We have asked for every plague and misfortune known to man to be visited upon you, your household, and those that have helped you cause so much pain and destruction to so many innocent lives. Know that every dark thing that happens to you, every misfortune, every illness will be a small portion of the curse we have placed on you. There is no place on the planet to escape it. It will find you, we have made sure of that.

Knowing that my vengence will slowly be repaid to you over the years brings peace to my heart. It also makes me realize what a pathetic waste of space you are on this planet. You and those like you have no place on this earth and I and my sisters pray daily for your destruction. I do want to thank you though for teaching me a lesson. Although it came with a high price, the lesson I have learned from you was far more valuable than anything you think you might have taken from me. I have realized how truly blessed I am in comparison to someone such as yourself. I can go through my day with my head high knowing that I am living an honest and good life and making the lives of those I care about better. I can sleep at night knowing that I have done my very best. I have no need to worry about the wrongs I have visited upon people finding their way back to me. I have no need to look over my shoulder and constantly be worried that someone will discover the horrible truth behind my life. I can sleep at night without the ghosts of those I have cheated and lied to haunting my dreams. I wrote those words of love because that is how I truly felt. I will never have to steal the words of others and twist them into a dagger to break someones heart. I know what it is like to feel real true love for another person and receive that love back without conditions. I live the life of a free strong woman who can rise above the things in life that cause me pain and use them to reach even higher.

You, on the other hand, live a much different life. There will come a time, maybe not for years, but it will come, when you can no longer sleep or stand to look at yourself in the mirror without seeing the faces of those lives you have destroyed. Every life you touch becomes a part of you good or bad and stays with you forever. You will never know peace, or love or friendship because you will always be haunted by the wrongs you have done. What is even more sad is that you are willing to sell yourself, your peace of mind and your soul, for a paltry sum. You will never be more than the pathetic lost soul that you are because you can see no further than the god you worship who will chain you to a life of misery and sorrow. No, I no longer feel anything but pity and sadness for you. Even though I have no idea who you are or where you are, I pity you for the miserable existence that you have chosen to live. There are so many beautiful things in this world but you have sold your right to those things by becoming a slave to your greedy master, the god of money. Know that serving him will bring you nothing but sorrow and heartbreak. Your soul will remain empty and hollow and no matter what material possessions you amass, nothing will ever fill that empty cavern. You will die miserable, alone and surrounded by the things you coveted more than life. Those things will bring you no comfort in the end, when all your friends are gone and your family no longer can bear the sight of you for what you have become. You may be able to wear the mask of deception for awhile, but eventually it will fall and everyone will see you for the ugly decrepit broken soul that you are.

No, I feel nothing for you anymore except pity, and even that is reaching its end. After I send this email I will not waste another moment of my life thinking of you, It will be enough for me to know that you will find your reward for the deeds you have done and you will pay the price for each life you have blighted with your existence. You will be forever burned from my memory and my heart and like the ashes after a flame, I will cast you to the wind to do with as she will.
by kepteyesopenedwide Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:40 am
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving "broken"! For the first time in 6 years my whole family was together so mine was wonderful!

WOW! Love the letter you sent him. I couldn't have said it better myself! Did you by chance get any kind of response? I have no desire to be on the computer anymore it seems. I was on earlier this evening checking my business email and he was messaging me but I never responded, just casually logged off. He said something like I get the feeling something is wrong....I felt like sayin no $h** sherlock somethings wrong! Not only do I feel crushed I feel so foolish for having fell for this person.

Can I ask where you're from? The one money exchange I done like a dumba** I sure hope it didn't come from you!!!! How did you find out or what made you feel he was a scammer? Periodically I would "google" his name and never could find anything til the one day I did and found this from you! I hope you're doing ok from it and like you said you still have a shadow of doubt about people, I do too!! I have met many people over the years and could always get vibes on them, but this one is good coz I felt nothing bad at all!!
by brokenheart47 Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:00 pm
Hey "Kept" - I've actually not heard a word out of him/her since I cut and pasted the military documentation about soldiers returning home. He quickly logged off at that point and I've not heard a peep since. I stewed about that letter for a couple of days before I wrote it and didn't expect a response. I'm pretty sure it was never even read actually. But, like I said, it was for my own benefit.

I live in Oklahoma and like you often did research on the name, etc. to see what I could find. I could partially see the last name in the photos that I had so I know the last name was real but without the first name I never knew if I was coming up with a hit or not. I even found a copy of a phonebook from that area and looked. Anyway, now that I look back I can see little things that sent red flags for me but I chose to ignore. Like how he could spit out such a completely eloquent love message and then barely write in proper English when we were chatting. There was also the casual evasion of answering certain questions that any person would eventually ask of someone they were dating. The money exchange made me nervous and I should have followed my gut on that one for sure. Funny thing is, the first contact person he had me send it to was not available so he gave me another name. Then Western Union called to tell me that the second person was "flagged" in their system and I needed address and phn number before they would complete the transaction. When I told him that he magically came up with another person. The real tipoff for me was when he started talking about how I could write a request for him to come home. I was raised in the military and have dated military people so I know that's not how it worked but I played along. When I received the email from his "commander" with a form attached I knew then in my gut even though I didn't want to believe it. I had a photographer friend look at the document and she told me it was completely photoshopped. I also had a friend of mine who is in the military look at it and he said he'd never seen anything like that. I hated to believe that I had been duped like that. That was when I started doing some research on my own and found this website. When I read some of the posts about military romance scams I knew I had been a victim.

I'm trying to move on but it's been tough. I find even though I can look people in the face I still question everything in my head. I'm sure this will go away in time but for now the wound is still fresh. One other thing. If you take the IP address that Dottie found in my email header and google it you can find a lot of different posts from that same address and some sites that you can use in the future to see if people are really who they say they are. Keep your chin up - you will get past this. And, you should not be upset with yourself for being a trusting caring human being. Remember the fault here lies with the person who abused that trust. There are people worthy of your trust andf friendship but they will have to earn it. Don't feel bad about making them earn it.
by kepteyesopenedwide Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:07 am
Only have a minute but I woke up to this email this morning:

hey
From: David Webb <[email protected]> View Contact
To:
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Hey baby am not lying to you and everything am telling you was truth, Well am coming home by the 20th of this month and i will make sure i surprise you.Just wait and see cuss i hated myself when i heard all this from you and i didn't get emails from you for so long.. I wanna let you know that i care so much about you and nothing will change my feelings for you..How is your mom? How is (my kids) doing? How are your friends? looking forward reading from you as soon as possible



I broke down the other evening and had to send one final one to try and find my closure:

I don't know if you'll read this or not.
I don't even know where to begin and just what I want to say but I need to write this and get it off my chest! I have always been one to presume one innocent until they are proven guilty....that goes for meeting people too. There's no reason to doubt things people say until you catch them in lies, if they do. You have said all along you would never do anything to hurt me and your love for me would never change....well by not getting answers for different questions I have asked, I more or less got my answers. I wanted more than anything for you to be the man you said you were!! You would never go into details on different things saying you would rather tell me all about it when we were together. I accepted those answers. But more into our relationship too many things were not adding up, especially after I went to that Veteran's Day program at the church. Now I know why you always was saying don't tell anyone about us I don't want anyone talkin you against me. I stood up for you so many times when different ones would tell me to be careful. I have now been completely broken up inside and don't think it will ever be able to be fixed this time. I gave you what was left of my heart, after my ex husband shattered it 10 years ago. It took me that long to feel as if I was ready to find love, even tho after my divorce I've felt love never really existed! The way it's shattered this time, I don't know if it will ever heal so I can love again!
by brokenheart47 Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:05 am
Dear Kept - I know how much you want to hold onto this and believe that everyone else is wrong. I did the same thing. I still do lol Part of it is because I hate to feel that I was such a sucker but part of it is because, like you, I so wanted him to be the man he pretended to be. Honestly, I'm not even sure the person we are talking to is a man. Most men I know would not have a clue about how to talk to a woman or the things to say to really anchor a place in her heart. I think that is something that only a woman would know. I am proud of you for writing that note but now it's time for you to let this go and move on. It's like touching a hot stove honey - you're just going to keep wounding yourself. Whomever these people are, they are heartless, cruel and have no respect for the lives of the people the come in contact with. For the sake of your sanity and your family you have to let this go.

I also know how it feels to never feel like you will find anyone worthy of your love again or even if you will be capable of feeling that for someone. I also know, that like me, you are a strong woman who is capable of anything you put your mind too. This is no different. It will take some time to heal but it will heal and you will be back on your feet. Just allow yourself time to do that. Surround yourself with your family, your children and those that love and care for you and let your soul absorb the love they have for you. That is the best remedy I have found. You may also feel free to write to me anytime. In this instance at least and maybe more, we are kindred spirits and I can honestly say that I know how you feel and how you are hurting. It will get better and we will get past this because we are not the types of women that lay down and give up. I will be here if you need to talk. Take care of yourself and remember that there are those people in your life who love you and care for you.

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