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by rc2467 Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:37 pm
I've been looking at the 419eater site and been creasing up with laughter at some of the 'names' and baiter stories :-) and this brought me here.

However, laughing and joking aside, this doesn't detract from my own single experience of a friend who, last year was almost, perhaps, sucked into a scam. I'd be interested in what you think because other than being a complete waste of time and upsetting my friend, unless it was just 'hooking' someone for something later, I fail to see the purpose of this whole thing.

The friend in particular is Thai, female, single and late-twenties and is a colleague of my girl-friends (we'll call her Noi for this story).

Around late-October 2009 she started an MSN type-chat with this guy who said he was English. They communicated via MSN typing most days and very often more than once per day (given time difference and all).

After a short while, he was telling her he loved her, etc., and was coming out to meet her just before Christmas, etc., for a 10-day holiday.

Anyway, the first I heard of this was when it came through to me via my girlfriend with a genuine 'what do you think?' kind of question.

Not having encountered this before I said that safety and security is the key thing here and what has 'Noi' told him.

I was assured [by Noi herself] that she hadn't given anything away (home or work address, her phone number, etc.) and it was purely on MSN that she had type-chatted with him: no web-cam, no VOIP chats, just typing.
He'd sent her a photo, she'd sent him a photo but that was all.

Anyway, the next thing is, approximately three weeks before he was due to come to Thailand, he said he was going to send her a package with some gifts in: a toy (with a LOT of money stuffed in it); a rolex, a few other things and, with this money, she was to book a hotel for him (for the duration of the holiday) and to organise a rental car.

Now this all seemed a bit strange as when he said he'd sent it, I asked Noi to ask him for a copy of the delivery note...

He emailed it and then she emailed it to me and that was where the entire story fell apart for him.

At first glance the note didn't look too untoward but delving into it, it was an obvious concoction (but my own feelings on this are that he's perhaps done this before and is on, let's say, version 3 of his fictitious delivery note and is getting better), copied and pasted, etc., but, I guess to the uneducated/uninitiated or, even, a non-English [as a first language] speaking person, this would not be seen – and wasn't.

I pointed all the errors out to Noi and told her not to contact him at all, to delete him from her MSN, block him, etc., and then gave her a word or two of warnings about all this. She was of course, VERY worried about all of this. As it turns out, nothing further has come of this and there has been no contact, or attempt to contact from 'him' again.

The problem I have though is even though he's supposedly sent this package, it would never actually turn up (it doesn't exist). His address details given (don't exist); he told Noi he lived in the North-West of England yet the postcode given was for a hotel in London; the phone number was bollocks, the business address didn't exist, the business name wasn't in the list of companies...the list goes on.

So what was the point of it? There was no package, I doubt he'd turn up on vacation, is he just a sad twat with a lot of time on his hands or would he be trying to draw her into something else?

I'd be interested in your thoughts.
Thank,s
rc2467
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by ChrisSmith Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:13 pm
Fake packages are used to enhance the scam and give the scammer credibility.

"I sent you a gift but someone stole it".

The scammer hopes that he's shown that he cares and that he's vulnerable like anyone else. Not his fault the package went missing, right? He did send it and it's that damn postal service or some corrupt official. And guess what? Now he's out of pocket. He can't afford to send anything else so maybe you could help him out with a few bucks?

See where he's going with this? It's all part of the scam. They'll do anything that they think will give them credibility in the eyes of a victim and anything that they think may enable them to steal a bit more cash, later down the line.

There's method in their madness.


If your friend Noi doesn't mind, get her to give you one of the headers from his email. Then run it through an IP checker. Chances are that it won't resolve back to the UK. Also try Googling the scammer's email address. Sometimes they're already flagged on anti-scam sites.
If you can get hold of them, post them here. Once they're out in public there's always the chance that another potential victim might run across them and think twice about what they've got themself into.

By the way: good job with your friend. It's great that you were able to help her.
by Dotti Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:19 pm
I'm glad your friend knew to be suspicious and you were able to see the red flags!

This sounds like a classic romance scam. Scammers do disappear mid-scam from from time to time--sometimes it is because they give up on a particular victim; others they have more promising victims on the hook and choose to devote their time to those victims; and there are even times when a scammer disappears because he is in jail. Scammers do get caught on occasion, for example when the Nigerian EFCC raids a cafe--but in some countries whether they go to jail may depend on whether they have a suitable bribe for the police! Or, if your friend made her doubts clear and/or he knew of your involvement, he may have realized the game was up, and just dropped her. Or, if he is a particularly dumb scammer, someone may have reported his email account and it may have been deleted. Most scammers will save victim contact info somewhere else, but some have made this mistake before...

As to where it could have gone...

The most likely case in this situation involves a fake shipping company. Scammer uses his fictitious shipping company (sometimes even with fake website and tracking system to support it) to "send" the (nonexistent) package to your friend. Soon, your friend is contacted by the scammer or an accomplice, who is posing as the shipping company rep or even law enforcement or customs. If the scammer is posing as the shipping company, there will be a problem with delivery that requires she pay some kind of fee to get the package. If he is posing as law enforcement or customs, the scammer will often use threats to try to get money from the victim. For instance, he may tell the victim that customs opened the package and found an illegal amount of money in it. She may be told that she has to pay fines (or bribes) in order to avoid jail time. Scammers will play the same law enforcement angle using a fake confirmation or stolen tracking number from a real company too.

In another version, the scammer is just using this scenario to make it look like he is a good guy and is willing to send her money. Then he is conveniently robbed on the way to send her this package, and is now out of cash and stranded...This just creates the opening for a money request, and if she says no, he can use guilt on her, claiming she doesn't trust him like he trusts her...In another variant, he will get in an accident on the way to send the money, or en route to the airport, whatever. She will be contacted by a "doctor" who of course needs payment for his life-saving surgery...

There are several different routes, I have given you examples of the most common, but you can see that this tactic is very common and this package is in fact setting the stage for the money demands that will inevitably come.

Of course the photo he sent is stolen and not of the actual person she was talking to.

If she still has any chats or emails from this scammer, or even the fake shipping document, they can be posted here to alert others, in case this scammer is still operating scams under the fake identity or using the same scripts.

Need to post photos? http://scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3219
Are you a victim of a romance scam? Read here for advice and FAQ's.
by rc2467 Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:05 am
Chris, Dotti, thanks for your replies on this.

The guy had a website (http://www.dsseds.com) which doesn't materialise on any searches on any of the engines I used (when I typed this address in today, the website is no longer there). There were also no links to or from the website which worked. He also stated he was British and UK based yet the 'company' is in the States.

No searches or trying to find the company via other listings worked so it's a very elaborate scam.

I'll post the reply I sent to my friend Noi:

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Sawadee khrap Noi,

I looked at the bill receipt and, at first, it does looks genuine: the tracking details you have been given also seem to be genuine.

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But...

The top line of the receipt says DSS EXPRESS DLIVERY SERVICES - where is the e in DELIVERY??? If this is a genuine receipt...big mistake!!
Why is this being sent on Diplomatic and Courier Matters Only. He has said he is a chemical engineer...diplomatic!!!! Don't think so!
The line that says "Senders reference first nine characters will de shown on voice" This should say: "...will be shown on invoice" - there are a lot of errors on this document!!!
In (3) it says "Senders Autorisation and signature", this should be "...Authorisation..."
In the red text underneath that it says: "...ADD's standart..." this should be standard.
In the charges section on the right hand side, why is the '2' in £250 so much larger than the '3' in £350 and the '4' in "450"
Where is says 'Diplomatic &courier matters only' (middle of bill under the address), no space between & and courier.
Each bold section has a number: (1 From (sender), 2 To (receiver)) why are there two 3's??
Underneath the delivery date (bottom right hand corner) the bottom of the date has been cropped but the white background is there? The rest of the background is pink however!
In the right-hand 'block'. The lines go all the way to the end of the 'blue' section. In the middle 'block' they stop. The background seems inconsistent to the foreground image.
This has been cropped and assembled from multiple images!

About the bill:

- The account number has been removed - no problem with that.
- His name is in LARGE font, all capitals. This is a different font/size to that used in 'Company's Name' which again is a different font size used in 'Address' which, again, is a different font size to 'Postcode' but is the same size as the 'telephone number' given. A professional note would not have these errors.
- There is no date on the stamp.

I telephoned the UK number on the bill and Skype would not put me through!

I did a Google search on Handcock & CoLtd Liverpool (and also on Handcock and Co Ltd - space between Co and Ltd Liverpool) and received NO hits!

I then did the same without using Liverpool in the search term (now searching all of UK) and received NO hits!!!

The address given (52 - 53 Builint W1) is not recognised anywhere in the UK (using http://www.streetmaps.co.uk) and
the postcode on the bill of W84PT (from http://www.postcode.royalmail.com) is
Royal Garden Hotel
2 Kensington High Street
LONDON
W8 4PT

I'm not 100% sure of how it works in Thailand Noi but postcodes in the UK ARE unique and there are NO DUPLICATES. There is no likelihood of this being another place. This is not a Liverpool postcode!

It it also not a company or an address that Google, the Royal Mail (who deliver 99% of post in the UK) and Streetmaps.co.uk recognise.

The postcode is recognised but is nowhere near the location of the [mythical] company and address that Google or other respected businesses in the UK can find!

Also, I have a website and a few of my friends have websites. If I enter my web address into the Google search box it returns my website as the top hit. Same for my friends, same for all addresses you care to type in...EXCEPT with http://www.dsseds.com. If you type this into Google, it returns nothing, why? They say they have been operating since 2004 and yet you can't Google them, Yahoo them, find them except with the exact address typed into the address bar.

I just Googled 'Michigan DSS Express Delivery' and received no hits!!!
On the http://www.dsseds.com website there is no contact telephone number, there is no contact address, they don't say where they are (except that they say they operating in Michigan).

The website looks amateurish. Nothing wrong there, but after a supposedly 5 years in business!! But, there are no links to other websites and there are no client testimonials or recomendations. There are also no terms and conditions and a few other mistakes at a cursory glance.

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I'm sure there will be a lot more if I delved deeper Noi but on the basis of just one or two of these items alarm bells are ringing!

If all this is fabricated then one can only think at the reasons and/or motive. One thing of course is to see what turns up in a few days.

It is of course your decision but based on what you have told me and what I have seen with this bill/receipt, my advice is to cease all communication with this person.

Your friend,

R

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(Note: also, following sending it to my mate who works for the police in the UK, he said the 'thing' that looks like a barcode plainly isn't one).

Following this, he said he wasn't coming to Thailand now as she obviously didn't trust him. I blocked and deleted him from her MSN, Yahoo, etc. and, strangely enough, no package turned up!

She was worried initially but nothing further has come of this and Noi and her friends are obviously far more cautious than before.

Chris, Dottie, thanks again for your comments and advice.

Regards,

rc2467
by Arnold Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:45 pm
Why is this being sent on Diplomatic and Courier Matters Only. He has said he is a chemical engineer...diplomatic!!!! Don't think so!

That's a common scam feature. Diplomats spend most of their time carrying large amounts of money round the world and delivering it to people. Unfortunately, their diplomatic status carries no weight with airport authorities. So they tend to get detained and need financial assistance from the scam victim.

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