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by lost in scams Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:22 pm
job offer:wants all my info.
they need some one to recive checks from this continent and then foward them to a (peter sands inc.ltd(UK)),minus a percentage.and to send theres by western union .ther reason is that to get paid,it is more touble to get it exchange ,and want me as a person to recive and send money?is this leagal?
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by The Enchantress Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:27 pm
lost in scams Welcome to Scamwarners.

It is definately a scam. Please do not give the scammer any information.

The checks will be fakes.

I am searching for more information and an adviser will respond to you ASAP.

The Advisers are very happy to help and very experienced. Please do not be concerned and please do not post any of your personal details. Your safety is important to us.

The Scamwarners site has many posts containing good and sensible advice for example

Here is advice about the particular scam involving cheques here and may answer many of your questions.

The job is in reality a heap of trouble for you if you attempt to cash the fake cheque or money order. You may be charged with fraud and will have to make good the money yourself.

Please post any questions or concerns. Any information also will alert other potential victims.

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by Dotti Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:51 pm
Lost in Scams,

As Enchantress said, this is absolutely a scam. This is a global economy. It is not difficult for companies to accept payment from other countries via bank accounts or web based services. Even if services were not readily available, companies still wouldn't rely on some random person they met through email from another country to handle their money--and there are international laws and agreements that would have to be addressed, too.

What your scammer wants to do, as Enchantress pointed out, is send you fake checks or money orders. You will take them to your bank, and they will likely be good enough fakes to fool a teller. The teller will submit them as if they were real. This is where it gets complicated, though. Most people assume that once a bank gives them cash from a deposited check, the check has "cleared". This is actually not true. Banks are required to give the customer cash from a deposit within a certain period of time, whether or not the check has been fully verified. So the bank will give you cash, you will think the check has cleared, and you will send the money to your "boss". Then, anywhere from a few days to several weeks later, you will receive a notice from the bank that the check was no good. You will then be liable for returning the money, paying fees for the fake check, overdraft charges if the money was used in checks you wrote, and possibly facing criminal charges for attempting to pass fraudulent checks. Victims have ended up in jail in some cases.

I'm not sure what country you are in, but here is a link from the US Federal Trade Commission describing how this works. It's pretty similar in other countries.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre40.shtm


Edit to Add:
The best thing to do here is to drop this scammer now. Do not tell him you know he is a scammer, just tell him you are not interested or don't respond at all. He may have your general information--email, address, name, etc. If this is all he has, don't worry too much, just ignore any further attempts at contact, block their phone numbers and email addresses, and move on. Scamming is a business for the scammer--and they expect that some victims won't work out. When they realize there is nothing to be gotten from you, they will move on.

From your initial email, I am assuming you have not given the scammer any significant information at this point. If this is not true (i.e. you have given them social security number, drivers license, banking information, etc.) then you will need to assume you are at risk for identity thefts, and take steps to protect your identity.

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by The Enchantress Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:43 pm
Dotti our Scamwarner Adviser has covered the scam details in great depth and explained how the scam operates and what actions you need to follow and consider to ensure your personal safety.

I have investigated and found the following links and info on Peter Sands.

They may be completely unrelated to the scammer in question, but they are still scams that need to be watched out for.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2050

Return-Path: [email protected]
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 01:01:09.0492 (UTC)
FILETIME=[6F078B40:01C8E6DF]

Peter A. Sands
Standard Chartered Bank
1 Aldermanbury Square,
London EC2V 7SB, UK.

Attn: Friend,

I am Peter A. Sands the Group Chief Executive (Standard Chartered Bank)
herein UK, I will need you to execute a project from my bank to your
Country which amount to GBP£30 million (Thirty Million Pounds Sterling
only) for a partnership
investment. Please, indicate your interest to enable me Furnish you with
full detail of this Transaction.

Best Regards
Peter A. Sands


http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?p=62643

http://www.thescambaiter.com/FORUM/showthread.php?t=39640

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by AMARC1959 Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:34 pm
Hi

I got the email from Peter SAnds as well ... just cash a check wait for it to clear and then deduct 10% and forward balance to PEter Sands Inc. I have not given any pertinent banking or SIN # .... but somehow I got a check in the mail for 55,000 somthing $$ and this guy emailed me to say just cash the check and wait for it to clear... take the 10% and he will let me know what to do with the balance later????? any ideas on this .... legal???? I think not ... too easy to make cash ... must be a catch..

thanks


Dotti wrote:Lost in Scams,

As Enchantress said, this is absolutely a scam. This is a global economy. It is not difficult for companies to accept payment from other countries via bank accounts or web based services. Even if services were not readily available, companies still wouldn't rely on some random person they met through email from another country to handle their money--and there are international laws and agreements that would have to be addressed, too.

What your scammer wants to do, as Enchantress pointed out, is send you fake checks or money orders. You will take them to your bank, and they will likely be good enough fakes to fool a teller. The teller will submit them as if they were real. This is where it gets complicated, though. Most people assume that once a bank gives them cash from a deposited check, the check has "cleared". This is actually not true. Banks are required to give the customer cash from a deposit within a certain period of time, whether or not the check has been fully verified. So the bank will give you cash, you will think the check has cleared, and you will send the money to your "boss". Then, anywhere from a few days to several weeks later, you will receive a notice from the bank that the check was no good. You will then be liable for returning the money, paying fees for the fake check, overdraft charges if the money was used in checks you wrote, and possibly facing criminal charges for attempting to pass fraudulent checks. Victims have ended up in jail in some cases.

I'm not sure what country you are in, but here is a link from the US Federal Trade Commission describing how this works. It's pretty similar in other countries.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre40.shtm


Edit to Add:
The best thing to do here is to drop this scammer now. Do not tell him you know he is a scammer, just tell him you are not interested or don't respond at all. He may have your general information--email, address, name, etc. If this is all he has, don't worry too much, just ignore any further attempts at contact, block their phone numbers and email addresses, and move on. Scamming is a business for the scammer--and they expect that some victims won't work out. When they realize there is nothing to be gotten from you, they will move on.

From your initial email, I am assuming you have not given the scammer any significant information at this point. If this is not true (i.e. you have given them social security number, drivers license, banking information, etc.) then you will need to assume you are at risk for identity thefts, and take steps to protect your identity.
by Dan Jones Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:52 pm
The catch has already been explained in the post you quoted. There is no money. The cheque is a fake which will pass the first level of clearing (so you will get access to the funds), but ultimately be refused. When this happens, you would be responsible for the whole amount and may even face criminal charges.

Do not cash the cheque. Either hand it in top the relevant authorities or destroy it.
by AMARC1959 Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:16 pm
This is the newest email I have gotten from him when I emailed to tell him that I was not interested.

Hello Marie

Thanks for mailing me back it was my former rep who ran away with the companies funds of about $178,000 usd that did that and i have reported him to the police so you need not worry yourself everything is very ok and i want you to take my words is that clear.


Peter Sands
by AlanJones Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:13 am
The scammer is now trying to convince you that everything is legitimate and that he is in fact the victim (some one else has stolen from him). Please read through this post here - it will tell you everything about cheque scams.

Please rip up the cheque and just ignore the scammer. He will give up eventually when he realises that he can't get any money out of you.

Which country did the scammer say he was from? His name in your email looks English/American, but the standard of his writing gives him away. If you post the headers of the email here (remove your details), we can show you where the email originates from.

Please do not tell scammers that they are listed here - it will take them seconds to change their fake details and their new details will not be listed for any future victims to find.
by Scoobydoo Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:14 pm
how can you tell where the email is sent from? the one i keep getting states yahoo.com.hk isnt that hong kong? where can i find out if emails are legit? thanks
by Ralph Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:37 pm
Hi Scooby

You will need to find the header and post it for us to be able to tell you.

If you dont know how to find a header, let us know the email domain you use where these emails have been received (yahho or hotmail for instance) then we can give you specific instructions for finding the header

I should add,
Just because it say yahoo.com.hk it doesn't mean the email came from there, similiarly, I can get an email address to appear to be from any country I like just by selecting the preference, it makes no difference as to where I actually am
by Scoobydoo Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:23 pm
Hi i dont know how to find a header..but he is sending it from yahoo.com....do you need anymore info? thanks so much

oops i use yahoo also lol



Mod edit: Combined successive posts and removed unnecessary quotes -Jillian
by Jillian Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:33 pm
Hi Scooby,

To find a header in Yahoo:

While you are reading the email, look on the lower right corner of your screen. You'll see an option for "view full header". If you click on that, a version of the entire email will open up, including the header, which looks like a lot of coding. Select and copy the entire thing and paste it in here for us to see.

You can also paste it into this tool to see a result for yourself: http://headertool.apelord.com/
(but please do post it on this thread as well).

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by Scoobydoo Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:22 pm
From Cho Lee Tue Jun 16 09:47:24 2009
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Authentication-Results: mta111.mail.re2.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com.hk; domainkeys=fail (bad sig); from=yahoo.com.hk; dkim=permerror (bad sig)
Received: from 76.13.13.28 (HELO n4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (76.13.13.28)
by mta111.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:47:32 -0700
Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 16:47:24 -0000
Received: from [76.13.10.174] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 16:47:24 -0000
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Received: (qmail 67813 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2009 16:47:24 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com.hk; s=s1024; t=1245170844; bh=zUIssbW7SwLvPqtC0s3S/+tSJ+c9gce4ZHs57jJESzg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=baMiKss2NaR8ZqWcoibljt8XfmT3sPJIPv8SOU210hVN+cUC7XXbltMsf1Hm1j0n31nOg/U+Lm6kyYnU9hDpN4Sd4XAsZH9GDK5ZCByZxCpItOch3I9TbE99aIUnyMk+pzShMPwMtCGGKwzm82uFujrwSa+ilZ5xbjVNBR8tpS4=
DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.hk;
h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
b=4qts9sGRyHPqhyNIvP+cooUu3A4pF+KzkAEya7C6ItIoc5NldJ2soDyyBQCFzwDkX2ioCQCIqjB4c1qMC5zxxBc8zFaxeI2LX8ZSjGHH0wncjL85xHgC7gZNk1CWQLE6A95qUDJgA4aFK1xGiVjh1eRIWMPweJvZJ8HBWvpbBqQ=;
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Received: from [94.78.74.210] by web59913.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:47:24 PDT
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cho Lee <[email protected]>
Subject: URGENT
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1057193106-1245170844=:57868"
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by Scoobydoo Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:25 pm
here is the entire header..sans my email address...what do you make of it? he says he is from Hong Kong..but was raised in Australia (yes i was dumb enough to give him my 'sisters' cell phone and he has called and he has no chinese nor austrailian accent i told him lol) but his business partner is John Mason from Ajax ontario and the letter in the4 mail i receivged is from a brian Sampson with Bluefield management Inc from Ajax, Ontario
by Ralph Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:50 pm
I have checked out the header for you here viewtopic.php?p=10645#p10645

BTW, there is no chance it was sent from the US or Hong kong where this man claims to be

Just adding,
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