Company Representative scams, Payment Processing scams and other Employment scams.
by janedoe30 Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:12 am
HillBilly wrote:
shy2shy82 wrote: I did the interview over the phone
Real businesses do not ever hire after a phone or an internet interview. Scammers go to great lengths to make it seem like all is legitimate. Please read this article to help you understand fake job offers : http://www.scam-job-emails.tk/

shy2shy82 wrote: Also, ya so far all of the packages are going to the UK, Finland and Russia. I have taken several avenues to protect myself by contacting the police departmet there and calling several companies such as the BBB, Consumer ppl, Attorney General and many others.


If you have used the USPS mail system to send packages overseas, I'd strongly suggest you find your local Postal Inspector's office, take all of your emails with these (fake) companies, and even this thread printed out with you, and report it. Find your local PI's office here : https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

If you have used other shipping companies, alert their fraud departments as well. Taking those steps will help show you are a victim in this scam, not a conspirator. https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radD ... sMain.html

So did I with interviewing over the phone.
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by vonpaso xlura Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:15 am
Go to the bank, print out all the emails you got, and close your account and open a new one. Then go to the police and explain that you are a scam victim. Otherwise the companies the packages were bought from will get you arrested when the stolen credit cards bounce.

I took one look at helpusstaffing.com and recognized it as a reincarnation of a previously killed scam site.

... ni los estafadores heredarán el reino de Dios. 1 Cor. 6:10
by AlanJones Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:07 pm
janedoe30 wrote:Wow. I hope these people are legit


As stated earlier in the thread, they definitely are not.

janedoe30 wrote:I better get paid the 1850 they owe me at the end of the month.


I'm afraid that you won't be getting paid anything - when your money is due, you will have outlived your usefulness to the scammer and they will just cut you off. But that is the least of your worries as you will have been receiving and forwarding stolen goods and when the sellers realise what has happened, it is your details that they will pass to the authorities.

As VX said, close your bank account and then go to the police and explain what has happened, before they come looking for you.

Please do not tell scammers that they are listed here - it will take them seconds to change their fake details and their new details will not be listed for any future victims to find.
by shy2shy82 Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:08 pm
janedoe,
I also am upset to think that this has been a scam! I have a 2yr old and am trying to help my husband by working bc he had a heart attack at the end of the summer. He works two jobs and I am trying to help him reduce his many many hours of working. I am in the same boat as you girl, I decided to ask for a paper check and extensively have been trying to research all of this. So far, even after calling numerous government agencies no one can say either way. I would put a flag on your credit report and run it as I did. This is the furthest I have gotten so far in getting any answers to this madness. Do me a favor. I tried to log into the system last night and it shows up in another language. I have not had any issues with that until yesterday evening. He is also my supervisor too! We work together we can stop them and protect ourselves too. I am still praying for a check. Ill keep you posted and vise versa please.
by Dotti Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:16 pm
You will NOT be paid. In the extremely rare scenario in which you are paid, it would get you into more hot water.

I cannot believe that they would go that far as to use a secondary company, fake too, to hire someone
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They can set up another fake domain to mask their activities for a few thousand dollars. They can make hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars if they create a "business" that looks legitimate enough to last a few months. It's simple math to them.

I'm going to be very blunt here, in reiterating what has already been said. I am sorry you have gotten caught up in this, but you do need to understand the severity of the situation.

Wow. I hope these people are legit

They are NOT. We're well past the "shadow of a doubt" phase. There are additional flags on the website not posted here, but we are not going to point them out where the criminals can read them and change them for the next scam site.

I pray to God they are not scamming people

These people are large scale criminals who are using you as pawns in the scam.
EVERY item you receive will have been bought using stolen credit card, banking, or other payment info. That means that with every single shipment you process, you are receiving and forwarding stolen merchandise, which is a crime. They put you in that position deliberately, using you as a shield to help get stolen goods to them.

I better get paid the 1850 they owe me at the end of the month.

As AJ said, not likely. Even if you didn't discover the truth, eventually if the criminals kept using you, the credit card companies and/or merchandise sellers will catch on that your name and address keeps popping up in relation to fraudulent purchases. They will then notify the police and the major retailers will very possibly flag you to prevent further shipping to you.
If you believe they owe you $1850, then you have obviously had a lot of stolen merchandise pass through your hands already. You can't sue them (all their information is fake and you have no clue who or where they really are) and you are reaching the point where you are of no value to them because you are likely to be identified soon. They have NO incentive to pay you. Most likely they will just drop you--that's the most common scenario.

In the (extremely rare) scenario that they DID pay you (if they believed you could be useful to them for far longer and they wanted to keep you going), they will most likely transfer the money from the phished/hacked account of an innocent victim. If your payment is not reversed by the bank for being fraudulent, it's seized by the authorities as the proceeds of a crime (and that's before fines and costs associated with criminal charges.)


I'm going to spell out more clearly what has already been stated above, as I suspect that we will see more newcomers to this thread:

Which scenario makes more sense for a company?
Scenario A
1. Find some random strangers on the internet.
2. Send some emails back and forth and talk to them on the phone. Never meet them face-to-face.
3. "Hire" them and ship valuable merchandise to them, even though you have never met them, and you have absolutely no control over your merchandise. Hope they don't just keep the merchandise and claim they never received it, or that they were impersonated on the phone interview and don't know what you are talking about.
4) Pay for the shipping of that merchandise to your "employee."
5) Have that person take out the merchandise and repackage it, increasing the possibility of damage occurring with the extra handling.
6) Pay AGAIN to ship the merchandise, this time overseas. Since there aren't as many packages going from one address, most likely volume discounts will not be available.
7) Pay the "employee" for each package.

Scenario B
open an account with major shipping carriers, and ship products directly to your customers (and of course receive volume shipping discounts.

So in Scenario A we have:
Total cost: Shipping within country + International shipping (without volume discount) + a large additional employee fee.
Timing: Shipping time to "employee" + processing time for employee + shipping internationally. (which leads to much longer delivery time.)
Risk: Distinct risk of theft and/or damage in the employee shipping step.

In scenario B we have:
Total cost: International shipping (with volume discount) + 0 + 0
Timing: Single shipping time from company to customer, no added delays.
Risk: No intermediate stops or processing, significantly reducing risk of theft.

There is NO legitimate reason for a legitimate business to use Scenario A, EVER. It is far faster and cheaper, and much less risky to send directly to the customer, period.

The same goes to money transfers. The most direct route between the business and the customer is ALWAYS the one a legitimate company will use.

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by janedoe30 Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:37 pm
shy2shy82 wrote:janedoe,
I also am upset to think that this has been a scam! I have a 2yr old and am trying to help my husband by working bc he had a heart attack at the end of the summer. He works two jobs and I am trying to help him reduce his many many hours of working. I am in the same boat as you girl, I decided to ask for a paper check and extensively have been trying to research all of this. So far, even after calling numerous government agencies no one can say either way. I would put a flag on your credit report and run it as I did. This is the furthest I have gotten so far in getting any answers to this madness. Do me a favor. I tried to log into the system last night and it shows up in another language. I have not had any issues with that until yesterday evening. He is also my supervisor too! We work together we can stop them and protect ourselves too. I am still praying for a check. Ill keep you posted and vise versa please.

Email me lady (removed email address. User can be reached via pm. posting an email address is a good way to open yourself up to threats from the criminals- dotti) I've also asked my local news anker to investigate it. Also that is what db-edit.com is doing for me its in Russian pay site to set up a chat that has to be paid by them. Friday I noticed when Mr Brooks was very attimate with having me to ship a package before 1:pm and it was like 1245 mind you I had to rush back home to ship the package and he goes will this sucks because I guess it will have to wait to ship till Monday. ,
by janedoe30 Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:06 pm
Okay so I just spoke with a cop and he stated what I should do then get back with him if I get in contact with anyone.
by Dotti Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:18 pm
Notifying them is an action to protect yourself. Unfortunately, when it comes to the scammers themselves, there isn't going to be a lot the police can do. The scammers are out of the jurisdiction of the police, and are most likely overseas, as they will soon discover if they don't realize it yet.

In addition to police and the postal investigator, I would also file a report with IC3 if you haven't done so:
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx
Just note that you were lured into a reshipping scam with a brief explanation in the description.

IC3 has a much longer reach than the local police, so reporting to them is key.

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by shy2shy82 Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:37 pm
Dotti,
I will also file with IC3, I began filing with the Federal Trade Commission, the Attorney General in CA and the pd in that area. Thank you for that added info.
by shy2shy82 Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:07 pm
I have filled with the BBB in CA, the state Attorney General in CA, emailed the pd again and also filled with the IC3 and FTC. I have printed all of my complaints with these companies.
by keykey8990 Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:53 pm
omg!! i work for them too. im suppose to also get my check before christmas. 1850 and a 150 gas card. i was so suspicious about the job. but i seen reviews and all on the website and called the police and i had nothing. i just shipped my fourth package. and went to log in today and the database is gone it says they have to pay an extend there policy or something. i will be so upset if dont get it. i really wanted to help my husband and with christmas for our kids. i even filed a compliant with the fbi and nothin yet. i am so upset. im more scared that they know my address. and that i sent packages when it could have been with stolen credit cards or soething . i emailed my manager...david brooks... and he hasnt responded yet. they were so nice and all sm i cant belive this . it makes me wanna cry.i dont know what to do.
by TerranceBoyce Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:40 pm
There are a whole list of variations of this type of scam. My own mother, who I have lectured on scams endlessly, signed for a parcel for a neighbour in her block of flats she knew nothing about. There are a whole host of scams that can operate off this scenario and if the delivery agent is in on it he will know that a 91 year old woman lives alone. What seems like a friendly deed can actually put your life in danger and you should never ever sign for something you haven't ordered. That's another scam variation.

CAR ADVERTS - If a car seller mentions escrow - he's scamming you Never ever for any reason pay anything until you have seen and inspected the vehicle
by Dotti Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:45 pm
I'm sorry that you also fell victim to this scam.

Follow the advice given above and report this to all relevant authorities (police, USPIS, IC3). If they have your banking info, contact your bank's fraud department and let them know that you have inadvertently given your bank details in a scam.

The reviews on the website were simply copied from a legitimate website. That's a common tactic used by these criminals.

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by janedoe30 Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:50 pm
Keykey90 call the police I feel sorry for you. Start there then BBB, everything that people are telling you on here. Email me and shy on here we will give you are direct emails and what we did. I am a single with no help and two kids 1 and a4 you are old. I feel ya. Keep your head up.
by vonpaso xlura Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:30 pm
There is a silly error on the website which the scammers made when they copied it from the previous instance of the website.
I tried to log into the system last night and it shows up in another language.

I downloaded the sites and looked at them. One has some pages in English, some in German, and some in Russian.

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