[email protected] ELM jobs/ELT jobs

If the money has been stolen from someone else's bank account then you could be arrested and accused of fraud, if they seize your computer and they know you have been on here then you know this firm are illegal. The fact that you are on here means you have read the warnings about elm.

THIS IS THE LATEST SIMILAR MESSAGE TO COME TO ME,

It seems to me that I am being targeted as this makes 4 such offers within a 2 week period.



--- On Sun, 14/11/10, Jose Adkins <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Jose Adkins <[email protected]>
Subject: Clerical Full time
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Date: Sunday, 14 November, 2010, 15:07
We've just receive your resume from our partner, we have Shipping and Receiving Clerk postion.
Supersonic Logistics, Inc Immediate opening for a Shipping and Receiving Clerk.

Duties And Responsibilities:
1. Prepares shipments, selects appropriate shipping container; packs items to ensure safe delivery.
2. Prepares bills of lading; checks items to be shipped against work orders to ascertain that quantities, destination, and routing are correct.
3. Receives and unloads incoming materials and compares information on packing slip with purchase order to verify accuracy of shipment; may process return shipments from
customers.
4. Sorts, counts, packages, labels, insures, unpacks, and/or logs inventory which is shipped or received.
5. Inspects shipments for damages or defects; records discrepancies or damages and notifies supervisor and/or purchasing personnel.

High school diploma or GED required; must have ability to read, write and perform simple arithmetic as well as sort, check, count, and verify numbers. Insurance and benefits immediately available to you and your family.

Competitive Pay. Disability & Life Insurance Package. Paid Vacation & Holidays. Career Advancement Opportunities.
Business hours: 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM, MON-FRI, (your local timezone).Region: United States, Nationwide . Occupation: Flexible schedule 3 to 8 hours / day. We can guarantee a minimum 32 hrs/week occupation.
If you are interested in this opportunity please reply to this email [email protected] with your resume and I will send back further details.

PLEASE NOTE: You have been sent this email because we saw something in your resume that would indicate to us a potential fit for the current position.
Sincerely,
Mike Smith,
HR Manager.
[email protected]

My dear friend,

if this company steals money from other people's bank accounts........this is bad , but what proof do you or anybody have?
I've read enough in this forum and have not seen any proof of missing money form bank accounts . Only stories about money received and speculations of what might happened or could have happened if you receive money in your account.
I am in this forum, because I have second thoughts ...........but I am that way to a lot of companies or people - this does not proof anything. Besides.........I have a contract with a company to execute some obligations and its perfectly normal to receive salary according to the contract. You can not check out every company that offers you employment !!! If you have information regarding illegal activities you can report to the police..........I do not have so far. The only thing I have is some tales and doubts in one of the many forums in the Internet.
Of course if you receive any cheques , you have to be very stupid to send over money before waiting for the cheque to be cleared and validated.
If I receive money in my bank account I will deduct my percentage according to the contract and send the other amount over. I have spoken about all of this with a bank clerk yesterday. They can not make you return the money. You have a contract with a company that pays you salary according to mutual agreement........of course the bank authorities can suspect you in bank fraud or else, but as you are not involved and there is no proof of your involvement .........than what? You know what I mean ?
And finally if really this company is having illegal activities and the police or bank authorities are sure and warn you ..........you can not continue with the company , because this is clear proof that you are involved!
Have a nice day ! )))

Maora,

Unfortunately, that thought process could land you in jail.

have spoken about all of this with a bank clerk yesterday. They can not make you return the money.

I suspect the bank clerk did not understand the real situation you were asking about. The bank most certainly can and WILL reverse the transaction if the account owner did not authorize it. And allowing stolen money to be transferred through your account is a crime--it is called money laundering, and in most countries it can land you in jail.

You can not check out every company that offers you employment !!!

YES YOU CAN! At the very least there are basic checks you can and should perform, and most governments DO hold you responsible if you don't. Ignorance is not accepted as an excuse if you failed to do even the most basic research into your "job." The company being discussed in this thread is FAKE. It is not a company at all, but a creation of the scammers to support their scam.

But the truth is, no LEGITIMATE company in this day and age will transfer money through individual's bank accounts. We have a global economy, and if the "company" can receive money from your bank account, they can receive it from the bank account of the "buyer."

If you are having a hard time accepting the facts from us, take a look at what a few other sources have have to say:

From the United States Government http://www.ic3.gov/media/2010/WorkAtHome.pdf

Example of a Work-From-Home Scheme:
• An individual applies for a position as a rebate or payments processor through an online job site or through an unsolicited email.
• As a new employee, the individual is asked to provide his/her bank account information to his/her employer or to establish a new account using information provided by the employer.
• Funds are deposited into the account that the employee is instructed to wire to a third (often international) account. The employee is instructed to deduct a percentage of the wired amount as their commission.
• However, rather than processing rebates or processing payments, the individual is actually participating in a criminal activity by laundering stolen funds through his/her own account or a newly established account.

In February 2010, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC) coordinated with state law enforcement officials and other federal agencies to announce a sweeping crack down on job and work-from-home fraud schemes fueled by the economic downturn. Individuals who are knowing or unknowing participants in this type of scheme could be prosecuted.

The Australian Government: http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/index.phtml/tag/WorkFromHomeScams

Warning signs

* You receive a job offer claiming that you can make a lot of money with little effort by using your home computer.
* You receive information about a job which only requires you to transfer money for someone else.

Protect yourself against work from home scams

* Remember there are no get-rich-quick schemes: the only people who make money are the scammers.
* Money laundering is a criminal offence: do not agree to transfer money for someone else.
* NEVER send money, or give credit card or online account details to anyone you do not know and trust.

Monster.com (one of the largest internet job placement services):
http://career-advice.monster.com/job-search/Getting-Started/Money-Laundering-Reshipping-Scams/article.aspx

If a job seeker responds to a fraudulent ad, ... the scammer usually requests the victim's bank account number or other personal information. "Nobody legitimate would hire you to use your personal bank account to process these things," says Grant.

By pursuing these "opportunities," you are putting yourself, and everything you have, at risk.

Here's another email address the scammers are using: [email protected]

Standard job scam.

I also received the same message from Sandra Molins.
I messaged back asking saying I was interested and how would I go about applying for this role.

What I got back was a word doc contract that was a load of gibberish to me but didnt quite read right to me.
At the bottom i saw it was asking for my bank details, address etc which I thought a bit odd.

I googled the address given and thanks to google maps I saw an empty drive.

Made me a little suspect so I googled around a bit more and found you guys.

At least with some of you they are trying. The Australian version seems remarkably simple.

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Hello.

Our company ELM is pleased to offer you a well-paid part-time vacancy.

Location : Australia

If you are interested, please reply to : [email protected] with your short resume.

Take care,
ELM Team

According to http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp, IP address 118.100.61.31 is Malaysian.

Hi Guys,

Just got these emails....I'm not sure why a 'prospective employer' would be emailing me at 2.13 am....
and in the 2nd email it says they got my CV from www.command.com.au - i dont even know what that website is...

From: Lacota Forbes <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: 29 Nov 2010, 02:13:34 AM
Subject: Position available ; ID _ 1290969319..

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Greetings.

Our company ELM is pleased to offer you a well-paid part-time job.

Location : AU

If you are interested, please reply to : [email protected] with your short
resume.

Have a happy day,
ELM Team



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To: [email protected]
From: "Douglas Wall" <"[email protected], job"@aus-fininc.cc>
Date: 30 Nov 2010, 08:07:14 AM
Subject: Immediate opening for PP Agent

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Dear ....

After carefully reviewing your resume online, we have decided to offer you a
chance to join our team as a Payment Processing Agent to fulfill current
vacancies in your region.

My name is Douglas Wall and I represent Aus Finance Inc.
Our company is widely recognized, was founded in the Australia, and remains a
proudly American organization with an international presence. It deals mainly
with the IT sphere internationally, helping to connect our clients with the
most qualified personnel.

The opening we have is a part-time position with a flexible schedule. Our
simple telecommuting requirements include only Internet access and e-mail
availability.

Successful applicants are offered a probationary period (30 days). Each agent
gets full, paid, and proper training and online support. We assess employees'
performance one week prior to the end of their probationary period and offer
feedback as to recommended areas of improvement, if any.
PLEASE NOTE: During the probation contract termination can be recommended by a
supervisor.

We are going to pay you AUD 2,300 per month during the probationary period,
plus 8% commission for each successfully handled payment. Therefore, it is in
your best interest to perform properly and do your best for each and every
client! Total income is about AUD 4,500 per month. Also, after the first thirty
days, your base salary will be raised up to AUD 3,000 a month.
NOTE: we can offer you additional work hours after the probationary period is
over. You may also progress to full-time employment, if that is your ultimate
goal.

If you are interested in the job, contact me with your updated information at
[email protected], [email protected] for more details.

_________FORM_______FORM________FORM_________
First name:______________________
Last name:___________________
Country of residence:___________________
Contact phone:_______________
Preferred call time:_______________
_________FORM_______FORM________FORM_________
We've found your resume at www.command.com.au. This letter confirms that your
resume has been duly processed and you meet our basic requirements for the
Payment Processing Agent position.

Our representatives will reply within 48 hours.

Sincerely,
Douglas Wall

Aus Finance Inc.

hmmm very interesting well looks like i may be the guinea pig here i went the whole way on this one cv application form phone interview checked the site "invision building solutions" now heres where it gets tricky my job was to accept a lodgement into my bank account and withdraw the money and send it elsewhere now bearing that i had 0 in my account and its pretty much dormant these are the details i gave them no overdraft either on account so my thinking was you cant take nothing from nothing

so i recieved email stating money was deen lodged 2780.00 to be exact and a western union adreess for it to go to. sure enough i went to my bank my dormant account of 2 years the money was there , now before i withdrew it i told the guy behind counter that once i withdrew the cash i would not find myself 2780 overdrawn in 5 days he said no sir that money is cleared and in your account , grand says me
so i withdrew the money and lodged it into the western account no problem and im due 8% commision for my trouble
"if it sounds to good to be true it probably is"
well as it stands i took 20 mins out of my day to transfer "somebody elses" money that was lodged into my account to "somebody else" job done im not out of pocket i dont use the account theres no overdraft but needless to say im very sceptable about this and pay day is due next friday the 10th and well ill keep you all posted on my job

looks like i may be the guinea pig here

What you have just become is not a guinea pig, but a money launderer. The money transferred into your account is stolen. You are now an active participant in a crime.

It is possible nothing will happen this time if the theft is not reported. Then again it is possible that it will be caught quickly. The person behind this crime is hidden safely in the background with fake names and locations, while the trail leads squarely back to you. When you do get caught on this or another transaction, the authorities have the option to freeze not only the account you used for the transfer, but any other account you own, while they are investigating the crime. They also have the right to arrest you--and in many countries, "I didn't know" is no longer being accepted as am excuse. And yes, the authorities have the right to take that money from you, even if the bank doesn't. Even if you don't end up in jail, "money laundering" charges won't help you to get a job in the future.

If you want to risk your money, your future career options, and even your freedom, we can't stop you--but we certainly are not going to encourage anyone to do something that is both reckless and illegal.

got exactly the same email !!!

Good day, We have looked through your profile on Totaljobs and want to try you for the position of administrative assistant/sales support. You will work at home, part-time. ELM, a luxury goods firm, offers the best off-season luxury finds from the most high-status international designers and collectibles from the rarest collections at irresistible prices. Applicant for the position should have excellent managerial skills as well as the ability to effectively perform multiple tasks. Best candidates have a firm focus on day-to-day operational excellence, and a individual manner that builds trust, and inspires loyalty. The candidate have to be motivated, practical, be able to study and adapt in short time. Other tasks of the Administrative Assistant/Sales Support consist of, but are not limited to: • Incorporating effective priorities for the virtual office job• Administer everyday financial responsibilities for customers• Reporting online daily• Preparing brief summary reports, and weekly financial reports Wage part-time: 1,800GBP/month, plus commission. If you have any questions please contact us via email or by fax +1-949-271-5337. All the best,Sandra MolinsELM Team

how are they still trading?!?!?!

I have trouble following your thought process johnny21879.

You've been made well aware that, if you have actually done what you've told us, knowing full well the circumstances of the scam, then you have committed a criminal offence. Having done that, why would you then send money by Western Union to someone you know full well to be another criminal ? If you can commit one crime so brazenly, without a care in the world, why not just steal all the money ? People can foolishly fall for this scam but I've never heard of anyone knowing what's going on and then paying the money they've stolen to someone else, knowing they're going to take the fall for it.

As a retired bank employee I can assure you that the issue of cheque clearance is a wonderfully complex area and you cannot rely on what the clerk may have told you because he/she wasn't told you were banking a counterfeit cheque - something of which you were aware. The more you explain what you did, the deeper you will dig your hole.

Perpetrating counterfeit fraud against a bank in the USA gets you a visit from the Secret Service who will turn your life into a nightmare even before they get you to court.



A bank could charge the money back to your account in six months or a year, irrespective of what any clerk has told you, because a counterfeit cheque is never anything more than a worthless piece of paper. If you don't pay the money back quickly when the cheque bounces, the bank is bound to inform the authorities as it will strengthen their case in recovering their money to have you prosecuted. Having a prosecution for passing counterfeit paper on your criminal record will bar you from most jobs for ever more.

You're either not very smart, not being serious, or someone who performs this type of scam and wish to encourage others that this is a good idea.

I'm only being harsh on you johnny21879 to avoid anyone believing that what you're doing is sensible or profitable. There isn't a magic way to turn a worthless counterfeit cheque into money, otherwise the scammer wouldn't be asking you to do it for him. I haven't mentioned the unpaid cheque fees or overdrawn interest you'll have to pay because they'll be the least of your problems, and to believe that a counterfeiter and fraudster can be trusted, when his whole intention is to get you to take the fall for his crime, is quite astonishing. Of course your credit rating will also be trashed and it's unlikely you'll get credit, a loan, a credit card or a flat to rent if the landlord does a credit search on you.

Even innocent victims have gone to jail over this type of scam and, if you refuse to pay back the money, you will certainly face prosecution at the very least. The money you sent to the scammer was your own money, and the scammer never intended it to be anything else. To suggest that someone you know to be a scammer is likely to send you back money in the form of salary is plain daft, and the best you can expect is another counterfeit cheque, which won't help you if you're claiming to the bank and/or police that you're not a counterfeiter's accomplice.

Many people have sent scammers money johnny21879. You're the first I've met who did it knowingly. I don't expect you'll do it again.

hmmm very interesting well looks like i may be the guinea pig here i went the whole way on this one cv application form phone interview checked the site "invision building solutions" now heres where it gets tricky my job was to accept a lodgement into my bank account and withdraw the money and send it elsewhere now bearing that i had 0 in my account and its pretty much dormant these are the details i gave them no overdraft either on account so my thinking was you cant take nothing from nothing

so i recieved email stating money was deen lodged 2780.00 to be exact and a western union adreess for it to go to. sure enough i went to my bank my dormant account of 2 years the money was there , now before i withdrew it i told the guy behind counter that once i withdrew the cash i would not find myself 2780 overdrawn in 5 days he said no sir that money is cleared and in your account , grand says me
so i withdrew the money and lodged it into the western account no problem and im due 8% commision for my trouble
"if it sounds to good to be true it probably is"
well as it stands i took 20 mins out of my day to transfer "somebody elses" money that was lodged into my account to "somebody else" job done im not out of pocket i dont use the account theres no overdraft but needless to say im very sceptable about this and pay day is due next friday the 10th and well ill keep you all posted on my job

DID YOU GET PAID THEN ???

Welcome to Scamwarners.
If you mean paid by the scammer, no. The victim is told to take his pay or a percentage from the fake check or the money transferred into his/her account from a phished bank account, and send the rest back to the scammer by Western Union.
The scammer gets away with it, and the "employee" out of pocket and in trouble with the police for money laundering.

Sometimes these type of scam work in a way that the victim gets ripped off, but is not committing a crime. I had a similar thing happen last year when I was selling a car. The 'buyer' wanted to ship it out of the UK and was to pay me my full asking price plus £250 for shipping costs, then I was to send the shipping costs to what turned out to be a fake website. The shipping costs were to be paid via Western Union.

I researched bank payments quite thoroughly, and was shocked to find that even a forged Bankers Draft can be reversed up to 6 months after the event.

The scam on this post may involve a similar method. Scammers prefer that because the victims feel like fools, so often fail to report it, and the only crime committed is far less than money laundering.

The scammer in my case actually sent me a cheque for £5,000 on an agreed deal of £1.2k! Not at all well organised, and with the aid of a scam baiter, got his yahoo mail account shut down. He came back with another a few days later. I was tempted to bait him as I the scam baiter had tracked him down to a Lagos (Nigeria) address but was warned by a colleague that it could turn nasty. I tracked down the issuer of the cheque to be an Irish Construction firm who confirmed that the cheque was from a batch of 50 stolen in 2007. So although it would have gone into my account, the bank said it would have been reversed between one and two months later, well after I had paid the 'shipping costs' to the scammer.

One thing that struck me at the time was what apalling resources the UK police have for such crimes. I scoured all police websites who directed me to my local police station. They were clueless as to what to do. Yet I had hard evidence which undoubtedly had the crooks DNA - an envelope and stolen cheque. Even now, they are struggling to cop0e with the sheer volume of such fraud and it is websites like this that are more effective.

Some people do bait the scammers. The one below had me rolling about!!

http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm

It may seem surprising to hear people fall for scams, but then just have a look in superstores and see what sells there!!