Company Representative scams, Payment Processing scams and other Employment scams.
by LILYLEE Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:05 pm
Hi there, i am trying to find out if a Company called Wholeat LLP or Whole@LLP is a legitimate Company as i have checked their website and cannot seem to find anything that links to the U.K. They have offered my son a job and i am sure its some kind of scam.

Would appreciate any advice

Many thanks
Lily :D
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by David Jansen Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:36 pm
Welcome here lilylee.

Could you post the url of that website? Or better yet, the e mail containing the url of the website.

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by GomerPyle Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:24 pm
They have a UK phone number and there is a map with an arrow on it pointing to a road in Central London, and I think that speaks volumes - in a bad way.

Though it gives itself a 'Limited' company title variation it is not registered at Companies House which is a UK legal requirement. I could check at the FSA, where it would also have to be authorised, but if it isn't registered as a company, there's no need. In spite of claiming to be the world's leading e currency business its website is only a few months old and it's identity is hidden by a domain privacy service. Even more bizarrely the site has links to other e-currency providers, and would therefore appear to be promoting them, which is ridiculous.

The only address provided is in Czechoslovakia but the specific address mentioned doesn't appear to have any such company located there. In many respects the website is quite amateur and there are some terrible gaffes. One of the most telling ones is

Payment methods accepted are Western Union/MoneyGram..........


A company cannot receive money by Western Union or MoneyGram. It's legally impossible. Western Union and MoneyGram only deal with people.

Game over - walk away.

This portion is utter farce but does mention some alarming practices.

How do I make an Anonymously Bank Transfer?
To use this method, you need to log into your bank account and make a transfer to our employees Bank account.
You need to ensure you transfer the last two digits of your e-gold account number as cents, for example: If your e-gold account number is 1234567, and you plan to buy USD 3000 worth of e-gold, then we will ask you to transfer USD 3000.67.
You are then required to send us a screenshot of the transfer confirmation page.


Poor English, poor punctuation and staff putting clients' money through their own accounts ? 'Anonymously Bank Transfers' :lol: are frowned upon in the modern banking world, and no sane organisation would send hidden messages by means of the amount sent.

Better still

All IBAN transfers and cash deposits into our employees Bank accounts have a additional deposit charge of US$5.00.


Quite unusual for employees to have clients's money put through their accounts, but not in this business. Employees will launder the cash received and face police prosecution, after they've passed on the cash to them by Western Union - clearly their preferred transfer method, as it leaves them untraceable.

......or by using fast Internet bank transfers or using the nearest Western Union Agent location in over 195 countries and territories worldwide.


The job offer is effectively to launder stolen money and, as your bank account is very traceable, to face the police when victims complain.

The Det Norske Veritas certificate ? - if you look at the address of the page it includes the workd 'ixtent' and I've found another Den Norske Veritas certificate for a company of that name with the same serial number here

http://www.ixtent.com/en/iso_9001_2008_ixtent_cr_eng.jpg

........which is the same as finding two bank notes with the same serial number.

The scammer has photo-shopped it, and you can spot it more clearly from the mis-matched fonts when you compare it with the original. The certificate isn't related to the financial service industry. :shock:

The one on the website shows it is also expired - DOHHHHH.

These are 419 scammers operating way outside their comfort zone.

...and finally, you'll note from above that they offer people the opportunity to purchase e-gold, but then they state this

4. All buy orders regardless of deposit currency are exchanged into US$ at the rate set by the bank in which the deposit was made.


Quite clearly this scammer hasn't a clue what he's talking about. and doesn't understand his own scam properly or the workings of this type of financial entity. It isn't very well thought out, even as a scam but it does demonstrate how much work a scammer will put in to the most stupid idea to steal people's money.

This forum is the only place this so-called 'company' is mentioned on the web.

Non-EU citizens should go here to find out about obtaining a visa to work as an au pair in the UK
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/doineedvisa/
Whenever payment is requested by Western Union you're dealing with a scammer
by LILYLEE Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:40 am
Thanks very much gomerpyle - much appreciated!!! :D Lily
by steviej01 Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:45 am
HI All
I have just joined this forum and thank god i did having seen this thread.
I have been offered a job by this lot too and it all seemed too good to be true.
all the interviewing is done by google messenger so you don,t get to meet anyone and they say it takes a month for them to open you a corporate bank account so in the meentime they want to use my own bank account . thats when i decided it was not legal.

Steve
by GomerPyle Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:11 am
My background is the financial services industry so it's easier for me to see the whole picture.

E-money sounds funky but it's pointless unless it serves one of the following purposes

1. Investment - if it offers something that will increase in value, but this site doesn't as it states all payments are converted to US Dollars, though it does mention purchasing E-Gold, but the site 'Wholeat' is muddled and confused. No investment purpose.

2. Card payment or making online payments - which is the fundamental purpose of e-money, but there is no card offered and no link up with any of the usual card payment systems. Worse, it appears only to be able to accept payments by Western Union or by utilising employees personal bank accounts, so there is no means of enabling customers to make onlne payments.

So, overall 'Wholeat' is asking people to bank money with them for no beneficial reason whatsoever. Even as a scam it's poorly thought out. As a commercial idea it's ridiculous.

The fact that people are being offered jobs rather than recruiting customers, makes me suspect that the scammers are more interested in signing up people whose bank accounts can be utilised to receive scam funds for all sorts of scams. These people are less likely to look deeply in to the e-money aspect and scammers have a pool of accounts available for use.

Nicely avoided steviej01. They don't want to use their own bank accounts as the police will call at your bank and leave you in serious trouble if you had fallen for their lies.

I'd be very interested to know how they contacted you as I've been watching out for ads and mails from these people. The UK Fraud authorities are very keen to shut down this type of operation and I'd be keen to deliver a nasty scam like this into their hands. Of course, there's no need for any of your personal details to be included.

Non-EU citizens should go here to find out about obtaining a visa to work as an au pair in the UK
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/doineedvisa/
Whenever payment is requested by Western Union you're dealing with a scammer
by steviej01 Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:38 am
They emailed me because they had seen my CV, as i have posted it on several job sites because i am looking for a job at the moment.
I don't know what it was in my CV that they picked up on because i have never been involved in currency in any way Just customer service management and the job they offer is overseas customer operator manager.
by Arnold Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:59 am
What is in your resume is of little interest to them as they are only looking for people to cheat. Your duties as an "overseas customer operator manager" would still be sending them your money by Western Union.

by GomerPyle Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:19 am
That's hepful steviej01, and explains why I haven't found any mention of them on the internet. They're contacting people direct.

I suspect that they're trying to recruit people whose bank accounts they can use to launder money stolen through all sorts of scams. The e-money set up is just a smoke screen and adds some plausibility and 'set decoration' as it isn't going to work as a scam itself.

They know how much sites like us warn people about using Western Union so they believe it's more useful to provide bank accounts, and they don't care if that gets the account holders into trouble, as long as they get cash out of the arrangement.

I could be wrong about this, but it doesn't make sense why they're not pushing the e-money aspect, and instead trying to recruit 'staff'. This might indicate that this is 'organised crime' and not the usual individual working on his own, and much more likely to be of interest to the Fraud Squad who can use their 'nutcrackers' to extract information from those involved.

I'll watch developments with interest.

Non-EU citizens should go here to find out about obtaining a visa to work as an au pair in the UK
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/doineedvisa/
Whenever payment is requested by Western Union you're dealing with a scammer

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