K___M___C___S - Just like the InfoTech Scam

Hi. I'm MsPterodactyl and I'm really glad I found this site so early in my suspicions. Forgive me for inserting those underscores, but I want to fake out any web crawler for now. It's those letters without the underscores. I'm in the very beginning stages of an Employment scam EXACTLY like the information posted here about InfoTech, et. al. Same script, same, MO, same yahoo "training," same "tasks." It smelled funny yesterday, so I did some research and lo and behold, it's a scam - thank you to all who've posted about InfoTech and the various other ersatz/stolen Company Identities. I'm actually online in training right now, having a little fun, inserting nonsense "Lorem Ipsum" into my submissions. I've already gotten an FTC tracking number for it, but for some reason, want to play along for a little while. Curious to see just how they execute this scam, and can't wait to show a bogus check to the bank. I know I'm playing with fire, but thanks to your input here, I think I can enjoy my little stint at detective work with minimal risk. They have my name and address and the name of my bank - that's it, and there's not much they can do with that. I have a real job offer, and am waiting for HR to finalize it, so right now I have nothing better to do than bait them, and I seem to be getting my jollies from it.
My clues were poor grammar and spelling, too-good-to-be-true wages, training that was not training(just meaningless tasks without feedback,) and no response to my questions regarding the training, all on Day 1. While I was in "training" yesterday, I found Scambwarners and my suspicions were confirmed in 10 seconds. I wonder if this KMCS Computer Software,LLC is a real, small, local Maryland company I should feel bad for that has had its identity stolen, or if it's a fake. k___m___c___s___online.com (again, no underscores) shows no contact numbers, and I'm hesitant to send a support request in case its a fake front - I don't want to clue them in just yet. The ip address of the company site is in Shelton, CT(it could just be hosted there, but you'd think a software company would host its own,) the email headers just go to yahoo in CA, I may advise Yahoo when they give me the next "training task." But my heart was set on inserting George Carlin's "7 Things you can't say on TV" in whatever I send them. Clearly they don't read what is sent - they'd know I'm onto them. I'll send details asap, but I don't want to alert them yet in case they're monitoring. Hopefully this won't be crawled instantly.
THANKS AGAIN!

While I understand you not wanting the scammers to know they are busted, it is important to realize that they are also targeting dozens (if not hundreds) of other people right now, and disguising the information from the bots means that victims cannot find it either, and can miss a warning that could save them. First priority should always be keeping victims' money in their own pockets, and out of the scammers'.

As far as KMCS goes, it is a real company. The scammers have simply used the name of a small company that is completely unconnected to them. The website registration suggests it belongs to the real company, not the scammers. I'm guessing the email address they used with you does not end in @kmcsonline.com, but is a yahoo, google, or mail.com address.

As to playing with them, we don't advise playing with scammers with your real details, as it is a safety issue. We actually have no problem with playing with scammers safely. In fact, we have a whole website, http://www.419eater.com, that is dedicated to scambaiting, and have even created a variety of tools and tips that can help you to maximize the damage and time wasted on the scammer's part.

Why thank you. I believe I have a new hobby.

OK, FedEx delivered a check early this morning for $2,280 for "equipment purchase" which should be less than $700. Called the bank, it's fraudulent. Sent this scammer a "Task" inserting text from George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on TV along with more nonsense text. Having a great time with this. I swear, I'll only play 1 more day. Here's the transcript from today's session, plumber's, nephews, etc, all funny. Later on, when I have time, I'll notify yahoo and NYC. I already warned my bank, who advised that I don't deposit it, despite my having such fun with this. I wish I could find a way to scam the scammers; at least I'm wasting their time.

hrdesk913: Ok work on it
hrdesk913: Are you with me?
ME: Yes. Working on task, almost done.
hrdesk913: Are you with me?
ME: Yes.
hrdesk913: What bank do you operate with?
ME: Citibank
hrdesk913: Can you procced and have the check deposited via atm and the funds will be posted into your account and made available tomorrow morning
ME: I will send the task when I get back, is that OK? Or should I finish and then fo to bank?
ME: GO to bank, not FO to bank! Typo
hrdesk913: Go and deposit now and complete your task as soon as you get back
hrdesk913: Understood?
ME: yes. leaving now, remaing online
hrdesk913: approximately how my minute to get to your bank and get back online?
ME: About 30- 45 minutes. My nephew is coming with my car in 3 minutes, he says. He borrowed it last night.
hrdesk913: Ok you may go now and let me know as soon as you get back
ME: logging out
hrdesk913: Ok i will be waiting for your return
hrdesk913: Are you still at home?
hrdesk913: You there?
hrdesk913: You with me?
ME: I'm back. Check deposited. Citibank no longer uses deposit slips, it's all electronic. Your cancelled check will be your receipt.
ME: Finishing up last paragraph, give me a few minutes. Sorry if it took me a long time to get back.
hrdesk913: When will the funds be available in your account?
ME: I don't know. i think it's a day or two, right?
hrdesk913: Scan the copy of of the deposit slip and email to me now
hrdesk913: You can use ink and cover your accounting information for security reason
ME: I just told you, Citibank has done away with deposit slips. You just feed the check into the ATM. I get confirmation by email within 24 hrs. It's all electronic.
hrdesk913: So there's no confirmation that the check has be deposited?
ME: In 24 hrs I get it by email. I can send you that tomorrow by 11:00 am
hrdesk913: Do you have access to online banking?
ME: Yes.
hrdesk913: Work on your task now and send it back
hrdesk913: How'e the task going?
ME: Nearly done, 2 minutes.
hrdesk913: Ok
ME: Sent
hrdesk913: Stand by
ME: I need to go...the plumber is at the door 1/2 hr early.
ME: I told him 12:30
hrdesk913: Alright i will talk to you tomorrow morning by 9am...The funds will be posted into your account and made available tomorrow morning
ME: Tomorrow, thank you
hrdesk913: Have a wonderful day

Hi mspterodactyl,

I am not sure that you understood Dotti's recommendation that you learn how to be safe baiting by going to our sister site.

It appears you are messing with this scammer using your real life email account. That can be dangerous as some scammers will get vindictive toward people who mess with them. You have given him your home address so he can send this forgeries to you. This could leave you and anyone in your house vulnerable if the scammer were to decide to do damage to you.

I have one other caution for you. By telling the scammer about the newer ATM systems, you are educating the scammer so he will use that information to hurt more victims. I am strongly urging you to STOP with this scammer.

If you have questions feel free to PM me, Dotti or any of the other Moderators in green and we can guide you to being safe and not educating scammers.

Thank you.

Dotti- I see your point, and you're right: that's the opposite effect I want to see, so I will stop right now, but must note that wasting their time as they wasted mine was gratifying.
I have notified Yahoo, FTC, IC3 etc. and I've had my fun. I was earnestly applying for a job, so of course I gave my real email, wish I hadn't but its too late. I AM reading though the scambaiting info on 419, I especially love the "Trophy Wall." I will repost this taking away the underscores if you'd like, or you can rename it to KMCS online. I called the actual company principal twice at a number I found on Manta, but got no reply, so I'm still not sure it's a legit company that I should try to protect or a front. I will let the authorities take it from here, and thank you for your valuable advice. As much I as wanted to waste their time as they had wasted mine, I understand that if you play with fire, you can get burned. I will learn the techniques that keep me safe, keep up with this site and hope no prospective job seeker falls for this scam. Thank you SO MUCH for your help!!!

Hello you guys! I am really worried right about now, I gave them my name, my address and the name of my bank and they sent me the check and the check actually cleared in my account. I mean I see that one of you had deposited and it didn't go through but mine actually did, and I am really worried because of that, what should I do? should I write a check and send it back? should and I actually used 80.75 because she (the "interviewer/trainer") said that $515.00 where mine from the training pay and the other $1765 were for training materials and programs. I mean the check cleared and is in my account, and I'm not exactly sure what to do now, cause I didn't know it was a scam until today after I had sent in the deposit scan with NO ACCOUNT INFO (it was just a receipt info blanked out) What should I do? should I contact the better business bureau? or the police? or how should I go about to report this? I am extremely nervous cause the check actually cleared and I'm supposed to do a training task tomorrow and they have my address and I am so super duper worried please help anyone?

The check has NOT cleared.

Ignorance of banking laws is common, and it is how these scammers succeed.

By law, if a check has not been proven fraudulent within a certain number of days, the bank has to make the funds available to you. But the fact that they issue the cash does NOT mean that the check has actually cleared.

After you credited with the deposit, the check can still be found to be fraudulent. This could happen very quickly, or it could take several weeks. For example, if the check is written on a real (stolen) account, the fraud may not be detected until the account owner reviews his/her statement and sees checks he/she didn't write. When that happens, the fraud claim will be verified, and the bank will take back the entire amount of the check from your account. If you have taken some of the money out, your account will be overdrawn. In addition to the remaining balance, you can be held accountable for fees/fines for the fraudulent deposit, and overdraft fees for every check you write that now bounces as a result of the reversal. The bank can even contact the authorities and press charges for fraud.

DO NOT write a check to send the money back. The money you send will be your own money, and you will lose that money in addition to the other losses from the bad deposit.

DO NOT take another penny of that money out of the account. Leave it there.

DO NOT remain in contact with the scammers. Drop all contact immediately. Ignore any threats of police or FBI, and ignore any emails that supposedly come from the police or FBI (who will have remarkably bad English, mainly because they are not from the FBI at all, and are not even American.) The scammers cannot have you arrested for refusing to participate further in their criminal activities! If necessary, block their emails, and do not take any calls from people you don't know. If you answer the phone and it is them, hang up.

DO contact the fraud department of your bank first thing tomorrow. Be prepared to show them all of the emails you have received and sent associated with this scam, so they can see that you were not intentionally committing fraud and can determine the best course of action. If the bank requests it, DO file a police report. (You should consider it even if they don't.)

Hello bmarie93,

I gave them my name, my address and the name of my bank and they sent me the check and the check actually cleared in my account. I mean I see that one of you had deposited and it didn't go through but mine actually did, and I am really worried because of that, what should I do? should I write a check and send it back? should and I actually used 80.75 because she (the "interviewer/trainer") said that $515.00 where mine from the training pay and the other $1765 were for training materials and programs.

It is a Scam 100% scam. The check is fake. Banks by law now clear checks within days of being deposited. This does not mean the check will clear from the account it was written on. The check is a good counterfeit, a stolen account or money sent from another victim. In all once your bank learns it is a fake or fraudulent you will be responsible to repay your bank all monies. You could also be reported to Law Enforcement for financial fraud.

Do not spend any of the fake money or send any money to any one else. Part of the fraud is for you to buy supplies. The supplier is the scammer himself or part of his gang. You did not get a job over the internet. Your interview was a fake. It was done by the scammer.

Cease your communication with the scammer. Notify your bank of the fraudulent check. Save your emails and chat conversations and supply them to your bank. Speak with your bank manager or fraud dept

I called my bank today and I explained to them the incident and I spoke with someone in loss prevention over the phone and they restricted my bank account and they send that I have to call back once the check actually says "refunded check" because they placed it on hold and I have no access to any of these funds and I have no access to any of my own funds from my other job. I informed the bank that it was a scam and the check was sent to me buy them so in a couple of days or I'm not exactly sure when but I have to call the bank back to get it reconsidered and they have to see all the proof of the scam and from there they are going to inform me what to do because I really had nothing to do with this I just wanted another job to get my own apartment I am so sad right now and so angry at myself for this... I just don't want my name to appear any where as part of ANY scams because I had nothing to do with this just a person affected. Now I have one more question what do I do to get the person to stop chatting me? because she chats me every morning to check on the status of the check, do I tell her it bounced? or do I say that the check has not cleared? what exactly do I say or do I just stop logging in and ignore the chats or what do I do? I am really nervous about this.

Either stop logging in, or put her on your messenger block list.

Don't tell her that she is posted here, but if it makes you feel better, you can certainly tell her that the bank has put a hold on the check for suspected fraud.

Try not to beat yourself up over this. You are not the first person who has been caught by this scam, and unfortunately, you won't be the last. Banking laws are complicated, and most people really don't understand them. The scammers take advantage of this fact every day. They wouldn't do it if it didn't work for them.

The important thing is that you are being proactive to prevent further damage.