by echapman
Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:08 pm
Recent pet scam when trying to adopt and purchase scottish fold kittens.
Guy with the email [email protected] is offering on catadoptions.com many different ads to adopt for "free" scottish fold kittens and "for sale" scottish fold kittens. After searching for so long, I came across this scammer's ad to adopt for "free" two female scottish folds that were 12 weeks and 2 days old with ALL of their vaccinations, MICROCHIPPED, pedigree, ANKC registered, as well as will come with all health records and everything that would make someone very fond of these type of cats die for. Here is my conversation with the scammer.
His email to me:
Hello,
Thanks for the mail and the interest in my kittens
They are micro chipped,potty trained and house broken.
Name: Cindy and karla
Age: 12 weeks, 2 days
Sex: Female
Temperament: Good with kids and Adults
Shots: Recent
-Registered/registrable
-Current vaccinations
-Veterinarian examination
-Health certificate
-Health guarantee
- Pedigree
-They like kisses and much attention.
-Legal papers for transfer.
-Friendly with kids as they love playing with them and other pets
-Bed and potty trained.
-ANKC Registration
I am giving them out due to my appointment on promotion basis at
my job site and i will be working for a series of hours that will prevent
me from being available to take care of them So that
is why i am looking to sell them to a genuine home
that will give them the love they require. But before any further details
on re homing i will like a few information of you and your family,
.Have you any pet experience?
.Have you got enough time to look after them?
.A little information on your homes and family (those who will be
close to the kittens)?
.How soon do you need the kittens?
.Where precisely do you live?
-Where are you located?
-You are a breeder?
-Do you have children?
-Can you afford their transportation fee??
Thanks and waiting to read from you as soon as possible
_____________________________________________________________________
My email to scammer:
Hi there,
To answer your questions:
.Have you any pet experience? - Lots of pet experience! I grew up on a hobby farm in ******** with my family. From growing up on a farm, I find living without pets to be an impossible feat and enjoy their company. I've always enjoyed riding horses, helping out around the farm with the cows and donkeys, as well as feeding all the ducks and chickens. There we had a few cats at different stages and our latest one passed away at the age of 17. Other than having cats as pets, we have a dog named **** who is a pure bred golden retriever and is aged 10 years. About two years ago I adopted my tabby cat ***** from a humane society in *******. He is super nice and very talkative.
.Have you got enough time to look after them? -I have plenty of time to look after my pets, right now I work as an RN and my schedule allows me lots of time to spend at home. I am also attending a college for courses online, so my work schedule in the hospital accommodates my online course work as well as a home and social life.
.A little information on your homes and family (those who will be close to the kittens)? - The ones that will be close to the kittens would be myself and my boyfriend. He commutes to where I live and adores cats.
.How soon do you need the kittens? - Whenever is most appropriate to our schedules. I don't want to make anyone feel rushed or pressured.
.Where precisely do you live? - I live in an apartment building with a 900 square foot apartment.
-Where are you located? - I am located in *****
-You are a breeder? - I am not a breeder nor do I intend to breed any of my pets.
-Do you have children? - I do not have children at the moment
-Can you afford their transportation fee?? - I can afford transportation fees but am curious to how much this fee will be?
A question or two for you in return:
-Where are you located?
-How much would this transportation fee total to?
-Are you a breeder?
Hope this information is helpful!
Regards,
Michelle
____________________________________________________________
Scammer replies to my email:
Hello ,
Thanks for getting back to me. They are healthy, intelligent
and have a loving and playful personalities. they love much attention
and to be pampered, they are 12 weeks old, vet checked, DE wormed,
micro chipped and have all vaccines up till date, they are comforted
and walk around the house, I live in ( Quebec) but not a breeder.
I shall arrange for a home delivery
using a nearby delivery agency in charge of pets transportation which
is closer to our home. You will just have to pay for the delivery of
the kittens and to process the change of ownership documents
as we are more interested in a caring and
loving home for the kittens than the money to be paid on them for
their purchase. To arrange for the delivery, I will like to have your
full contact details in this order:
FULL NAMES...........
HOUSE ADDRESS.........
CITY............
POSTCODE...........
MOBILE NUMBER..........
LAND LINE NUMBER.........
EMAIL ADDRESS...........
AS soon as you provide me with the above details, I will quickly
prepare the change of ownership documents and arrange for a home
delivery to your door. You will be paying the sum of $350 to the
delivery agency directly. This money you will have to pay will be for
the delivery of the kittens to your home and to process the change
of ownership documents of the kittens into your names. They will have a care and
instruction package that will assist you in providing an easy
transition to their new forever home. I will also send all paperwork
including details of Current vaccinations, Veterinarian examinations,
Health certificates, Health guarantees, Pedigrees, Travel crates
,Micro-Chipped (In case ever lost or stolen) and all other health
certificates at my disposal, blankets and crates and some food with
the delivery agency in charge of transportation of the kittens to your
home. Hope you take proper care, cuddle and even spoil these kittens
for me OK? and do send me updated pictures as these kittens it grows ok?
Waiting for your response.
Cheers.
_______________________________________________________
I reply:
FULL NAMES........... Michelle **********
HOUSE ADDRESS......... apartment **************
CITY............ **************
POSTCODE........... *********
MOBILE NUMBER.......... ****************
EMAIL ADDRESS........... ******************
I will take absolute care of them. I am able to take care of the two so they grow up together as sisters instead of being taken apart. Thank you very much. I do have one more question, I know some kittens and cats with their pedigrees are registered under TICA, are these kittens in a registry as well? And what is your closest transportation service you are using, so that I am aware.
Thank you!
Hope to hear from you
Regards,
Michelle
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At this point I read up that catadoptions.com does have quite a few scammers and people have been scammed into paying for delivery but never receiving the pets theyv've asked for. So i include in two further emails:
Sorry for more inconvenience,
But for my own security, I've seen some pet scams and just want to be safe, so if you are able to let me know the pet delivery service prior to change of papers. I've heard of some services taking money and not delivering the kittens, or money being sent to places like Cameroon and no delivery of kittens.
And lastly, where abouts do you live/are from? If close enough, I could drive down to meet the kittens and you prior to adoption.
So please let me know the delivery service before making any paper changes.
Thanks,
Michelle
________________________
The scammer replies:
Hello Michelle,
I am very sorry for the late reply.Have being very busy with
work.I just came back from work and now ready to prepare the kittens
for registration and delivery at the agency.I will like to hear from
you before i proceed with the registration and delivery and i hope to
take good care of the kittens and do sent me up date pictures of the
kittens.Hope to hear from you soon.
I will be shipping the kitten from Quebec to your location in *********,
Ontario.All i want you to promise me is that you will take very good
care of my babies.Like i told you earlier i just got promoted at my
job site and at the moment very busy with work.That was the reason i
couldn't get to you on time.I do hope you understand.Hey Chapman,i am
a christian and i can't do such thing to get your money without
delivering the kitten.All i want you to do is promise me you will take
good care of the kittens.like i said i will like to hear from you
before taking the kittens to the agency for registration and
delivery..Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards.
----------------------------------------
Again I ask what delivery service he is using, and he continues to dodge my questions and then reverts to calling his kittens his babies and making things personal.
His reply:
Hi Michelle, we are done with the registration. The agency should be in contact with you via phone and email as they promise. This is a very reputable agency, and i had once sent a bird to my sister through them and it was a total success. Every body in my neighbor hood uses them. They help us get a direct flight for all our pet down here, i asked about the courier and they said it was going to come wit ATL, since they have a transit here and would be coming direct. Well i really don't know much. Just let me know when they contact you. I am so anxious to see delivery pictures!
Before i forget they said it was an American courier.
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What I didn't understand from reading this is if he brought it to the pet courier, why was it an american courier if he lived in Quebec, and why he wouldn't just state the name of the courier to me after my many times of asking 'what courier are you using?'.
__________________________________________
So I email him again stating:
Would you be able to ask them specifically what American courier? There's quite a few I know which are not safe and are scams
---------------------------------------------------------
He emails me within minutes:
I personally took the Kittens there, So this one is good. besides my sister's husband is a lawyer and will drag any one to court if any of that happens. You just have to stay positive. Nothing will go wrong. That i can assure you. Hey one honest question, Do you trust me?
---------------------------------------------------------
Again still, why is he not answering my questions and dodging it?
So I reply:
I've just looked up online how good the catadoptions site is and found that there were many of the same ad's posted. It's more difficult to trust when I haven't met you or the kittens in person. What was the name of the place you took them to?
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He replies:
OMG, and i was trusting you to give you my babies? Please i hope i'm not making a mistake? i took them to Cship. i don't understand you. You are making me to be skeptical.
------------------------------------------------------------
I check and Cship does not exist, there is no found website (for if there is a shipping company, a website is included where someone can track their parcel or shipment as well as look up locations, etc). So here is my other warning this guy is not for real.
I email back:
Right now I am very skeptical for Cship is not listed as a pet courier nor a reputable one. I did ask that the name of the courier be given before any arrangements go forward. I'm very sorry but I do not want to continue this transaction. Very sorry, but I do not trust now paying when this delivery service is non-existing.
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[email protected] is getting very fed up with me at this point.
he replies:
Its not the courier hun, I just called them and they said its ATL Courier service and i also asked them to get in touch with you. ASAP. so are you telling me you are not more interested in the kittens or what?ATL is a reliable agency and i have being using is for some time now.Their services are good.
----------------------------------------------------------
I replied:
I am no longer interested, sorry. I do not feel safe making this transaction any more.
------------------------------------------
This ATL agency called me and said that the kittens are at their agency. ATL is an atlanta delivery service, located in ATLANTA in the United STATES! This guy has just stated that he used Cship, and then hes using ATL. AS well, he is living in Quebec but won't disclose exactly where in Quebec (to remind you, Quebec is a LARGE province).
I went back onto catadoptions.com and messaged numerous scottish fold owners who are selling or putting up for adoption their kittens. Every person that answered back was... [email protected]. He has over 7 ads on that site with all different sorts of amounts of kittens, male or female, long or semi-long hair or short haired, folded or straight eared, 1-5 kittens.
SO ALL OF YOU USING catadoptions.com BEWARE! I fought with the atlanta company, they harassed and pressured me that the kittens were going to be shipped right away. There was no WAY that guy got those kittens to Atlanta from quebec within 5 minutes of his last email to me to there.
BE CAREFUL EVERYONE! Make sure you see and meet the kittens you are adopting or purchasing as well as MEET THE BREEDER/OWNER! Pay the higher price if you have to so you don't get scammed out of your money or like me, have your high hopes broken by a scammer.
Sincerely the girl who just wanted to have a scottish fold kitten and was let down,
Michelle
Guy with the email [email protected] is offering on catadoptions.com many different ads to adopt for "free" scottish fold kittens and "for sale" scottish fold kittens. After searching for so long, I came across this scammer's ad to adopt for "free" two female scottish folds that were 12 weeks and 2 days old with ALL of their vaccinations, MICROCHIPPED, pedigree, ANKC registered, as well as will come with all health records and everything that would make someone very fond of these type of cats die for. Here is my conversation with the scammer.
His email to me:
Hello,
Thanks for the mail and the interest in my kittens
They are micro chipped,potty trained and house broken.
Name: Cindy and karla
Age: 12 weeks, 2 days
Sex: Female
Temperament: Good with kids and Adults
Shots: Recent
-Registered/registrable
-Current vaccinations
-Veterinarian examination
-Health certificate
-Health guarantee
- Pedigree
-They like kisses and much attention.
-Legal papers for transfer.
-Friendly with kids as they love playing with them and other pets
-Bed and potty trained.
-ANKC Registration
I am giving them out due to my appointment on promotion basis at
my job site and i will be working for a series of hours that will prevent
me from being available to take care of them So that
is why i am looking to sell them to a genuine home
that will give them the love they require. But before any further details
on re homing i will like a few information of you and your family,
.Have you any pet experience?
.Have you got enough time to look after them?
.A little information on your homes and family (those who will be
close to the kittens)?
.How soon do you need the kittens?
.Where precisely do you live?
-Where are you located?
-You are a breeder?
-Do you have children?
-Can you afford their transportation fee??
Thanks and waiting to read from you as soon as possible
_____________________________________________________________________
My email to scammer:
Hi there,
To answer your questions:
.Have you any pet experience? - Lots of pet experience! I grew up on a hobby farm in ******** with my family. From growing up on a farm, I find living without pets to be an impossible feat and enjoy their company. I've always enjoyed riding horses, helping out around the farm with the cows and donkeys, as well as feeding all the ducks and chickens. There we had a few cats at different stages and our latest one passed away at the age of 17. Other than having cats as pets, we have a dog named **** who is a pure bred golden retriever and is aged 10 years. About two years ago I adopted my tabby cat ***** from a humane society in *******. He is super nice and very talkative.
.Have you got enough time to look after them? -I have plenty of time to look after my pets, right now I work as an RN and my schedule allows me lots of time to spend at home. I am also attending a college for courses online, so my work schedule in the hospital accommodates my online course work as well as a home and social life.
.A little information on your homes and family (those who will be close to the kittens)? - The ones that will be close to the kittens would be myself and my boyfriend. He commutes to where I live and adores cats.
.How soon do you need the kittens? - Whenever is most appropriate to our schedules. I don't want to make anyone feel rushed or pressured.
.Where precisely do you live? - I live in an apartment building with a 900 square foot apartment.
-Where are you located? - I am located in *****
-You are a breeder? - I am not a breeder nor do I intend to breed any of my pets.
-Do you have children? - I do not have children at the moment
-Can you afford their transportation fee?? - I can afford transportation fees but am curious to how much this fee will be?
A question or two for you in return:
-Where are you located?
-How much would this transportation fee total to?
-Are you a breeder?
Hope this information is helpful!
Regards,
Michelle
____________________________________________________________
Scammer replies to my email:
Hello ,
Thanks for getting back to me. They are healthy, intelligent
and have a loving and playful personalities. they love much attention
and to be pampered, they are 12 weeks old, vet checked, DE wormed,
micro chipped and have all vaccines up till date, they are comforted
and walk around the house, I live in ( Quebec) but not a breeder.
I shall arrange for a home delivery
using a nearby delivery agency in charge of pets transportation which
is closer to our home. You will just have to pay for the delivery of
the kittens and to process the change of ownership documents
as we are more interested in a caring and
loving home for the kittens than the money to be paid on them for
their purchase. To arrange for the delivery, I will like to have your
full contact details in this order:
FULL NAMES...........
HOUSE ADDRESS.........
CITY............
POSTCODE...........
MOBILE NUMBER..........
LAND LINE NUMBER.........
EMAIL ADDRESS...........
AS soon as you provide me with the above details, I will quickly
prepare the change of ownership documents and arrange for a home
delivery to your door. You will be paying the sum of $350 to the
delivery agency directly. This money you will have to pay will be for
the delivery of the kittens to your home and to process the change
of ownership documents of the kittens into your names. They will have a care and
instruction package that will assist you in providing an easy
transition to their new forever home. I will also send all paperwork
including details of Current vaccinations, Veterinarian examinations,
Health certificates, Health guarantees, Pedigrees, Travel crates
,Micro-Chipped (In case ever lost or stolen) and all other health
certificates at my disposal, blankets and crates and some food with
the delivery agency in charge of transportation of the kittens to your
home. Hope you take proper care, cuddle and even spoil these kittens
for me OK? and do send me updated pictures as these kittens it grows ok?
Waiting for your response.
Cheers.
_______________________________________________________
I reply:
FULL NAMES........... Michelle **********
HOUSE ADDRESS......... apartment **************
CITY............ **************
POSTCODE........... *********
MOBILE NUMBER.......... ****************
EMAIL ADDRESS........... ******************
I will take absolute care of them. I am able to take care of the two so they grow up together as sisters instead of being taken apart. Thank you very much. I do have one more question, I know some kittens and cats with their pedigrees are registered under TICA, are these kittens in a registry as well? And what is your closest transportation service you are using, so that I am aware.
Thank you!
Hope to hear from you
Regards,
Michelle
---------------------------------------------------------
At this point I read up that catadoptions.com does have quite a few scammers and people have been scammed into paying for delivery but never receiving the pets theyv've asked for. So i include in two further emails:
Sorry for more inconvenience,
But for my own security, I've seen some pet scams and just want to be safe, so if you are able to let me know the pet delivery service prior to change of papers. I've heard of some services taking money and not delivering the kittens, or money being sent to places like Cameroon and no delivery of kittens.
And lastly, where abouts do you live/are from? If close enough, I could drive down to meet the kittens and you prior to adoption.
So please let me know the delivery service before making any paper changes.
Thanks,
Michelle
________________________
The scammer replies:
Hello Michelle,
I am very sorry for the late reply.Have being very busy with
work.I just came back from work and now ready to prepare the kittens
for registration and delivery at the agency.I will like to hear from
you before i proceed with the registration and delivery and i hope to
take good care of the kittens and do sent me up date pictures of the
kittens.Hope to hear from you soon.
I will be shipping the kitten from Quebec to your location in *********,
Ontario.All i want you to promise me is that you will take very good
care of my babies.Like i told you earlier i just got promoted at my
job site and at the moment very busy with work.That was the reason i
couldn't get to you on time.I do hope you understand.Hey Chapman,i am
a christian and i can't do such thing to get your money without
delivering the kitten.All i want you to do is promise me you will take
good care of the kittens.like i said i will like to hear from you
before taking the kittens to the agency for registration and
delivery..Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards.
----------------------------------------
Again I ask what delivery service he is using, and he continues to dodge my questions and then reverts to calling his kittens his babies and making things personal.
His reply:
Hi Michelle, we are done with the registration. The agency should be in contact with you via phone and email as they promise. This is a very reputable agency, and i had once sent a bird to my sister through them and it was a total success. Every body in my neighbor hood uses them. They help us get a direct flight for all our pet down here, i asked about the courier and they said it was going to come wit ATL, since they have a transit here and would be coming direct. Well i really don't know much. Just let me know when they contact you. I am so anxious to see delivery pictures!
Before i forget they said it was an American courier.
----------------------------------------------------------
What I didn't understand from reading this is if he brought it to the pet courier, why was it an american courier if he lived in Quebec, and why he wouldn't just state the name of the courier to me after my many times of asking 'what courier are you using?'.
__________________________________________
So I email him again stating:
Would you be able to ask them specifically what American courier? There's quite a few I know which are not safe and are scams
---------------------------------------------------------
He emails me within minutes:
I personally took the Kittens there, So this one is good. besides my sister's husband is a lawyer and will drag any one to court if any of that happens. You just have to stay positive. Nothing will go wrong. That i can assure you. Hey one honest question, Do you trust me?
---------------------------------------------------------
Again still, why is he not answering my questions and dodging it?
So I reply:
I've just looked up online how good the catadoptions site is and found that there were many of the same ad's posted. It's more difficult to trust when I haven't met you or the kittens in person. What was the name of the place you took them to?
----------------------------------------------------------
He replies:
OMG, and i was trusting you to give you my babies? Please i hope i'm not making a mistake? i took them to Cship. i don't understand you. You are making me to be skeptical.
------------------------------------------------------------
I check and Cship does not exist, there is no found website (for if there is a shipping company, a website is included where someone can track their parcel or shipment as well as look up locations, etc). So here is my other warning this guy is not for real.
I email back:
Right now I am very skeptical for Cship is not listed as a pet courier nor a reputable one. I did ask that the name of the courier be given before any arrangements go forward. I'm very sorry but I do not want to continue this transaction. Very sorry, but I do not trust now paying when this delivery service is non-existing.
------------------------------------------
[email protected] is getting very fed up with me at this point.
he replies:
Its not the courier hun, I just called them and they said its ATL Courier service and i also asked them to get in touch with you. ASAP. so are you telling me you are not more interested in the kittens or what?ATL is a reliable agency and i have being using is for some time now.Their services are good.
----------------------------------------------------------
I replied:
I am no longer interested, sorry. I do not feel safe making this transaction any more.
------------------------------------------
This ATL agency called me and said that the kittens are at their agency. ATL is an atlanta delivery service, located in ATLANTA in the United STATES! This guy has just stated that he used Cship, and then hes using ATL. AS well, he is living in Quebec but won't disclose exactly where in Quebec (to remind you, Quebec is a LARGE province).
I went back onto catadoptions.com and messaged numerous scottish fold owners who are selling or putting up for adoption their kittens. Every person that answered back was... [email protected]. He has over 7 ads on that site with all different sorts of amounts of kittens, male or female, long or semi-long hair or short haired, folded or straight eared, 1-5 kittens.
SO ALL OF YOU USING catadoptions.com BEWARE! I fought with the atlanta company, they harassed and pressured me that the kittens were going to be shipped right away. There was no WAY that guy got those kittens to Atlanta from quebec within 5 minutes of his last email to me to there.
BE CAREFUL EVERYONE! Make sure you see and meet the kittens you are adopting or purchasing as well as MEET THE BREEDER/OWNER! Pay the higher price if you have to so you don't get scammed out of your money or like me, have your high hopes broken by a scammer.
Sincerely the girl who just wanted to have a scottish fold kitten and was let down,
Michelle
