Room for Rent and other rental scams
by truste Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:56 am
Hi!

I'm looking for a place to stay in NYC and need to move in ASAP as I'm starting grad school there, but my flight (from the West Coast) isn't arriving in NY until Monday, so I've been unable to physically view apartment listings. I have been looking at apartments-for-rent listing sites and emailing/calling many people. Today I received an email back which could be a scam, but I'm not sure. Thanks for the help, in advance!

- The biggest sign: the rent is cheap for the size/neighborhood. A 1BR very close to downtown Manhattan for less than $1500/mo. The apt is furnished with a fair amount of amenities--wifi, etc.

- The pictures look like stock photos--meaning they look nice, but like they could've been pulled from anywhere, or like they're photos of showrooms in that building, rather than that specific apt.

- I found this listing through a rental search site which I think compiles listings from other rental search sites, and through this convoluted jumble I can't seem to figure out if the person contacting me is an agent/broker, a current tenant looking for a roommate, a current tenant looking to sublet/transfer lease, etc.

- It seems like the listing has been up for almost two weeks, which makes me think--if the place is legit, why hasn't it been snapped up already at this price?

- The person emailed me with the email address [email protected]. I looked, but I can't seem to find out what homemail is.

- There is a listed phone number, but I didn't notice it until now, so I haven't tried calling yet and can't as it is late at night. I will try tomorrow morning.

Onto the email itself: It's well written gramatically--although the whole thing is in bold, is this a red flag? Includes simple description of the place, asks for preliminary info about me (age, gender, move in date, etc). He doesn't seem to be pushing me to act, beyond saying that I should have the apartment as long as someone else doesn't secure it first, which is what all agents/landlords I've dealt with tell you. He DOES add "I await your earliest response as soon as possible", which may seem a little eager, but it wasn't until I was looking for eagerness that I thought so.

I replied to the email with the required info (again, just very basic info) and asked if he's a tenant, agent, owner, etc. If he replies, I will ask to visit in person, but like I said before, I won't be able to do so until a few days later. I realize that there's not much to go on as of now, but if it is a rental scam, I was hoping you guys could help me catch it earlier rather than later in the process.

Finally, I refrained from providing any specific details, such as the apartment address, the exact email and name, the link to the listing, or the pictures because I don't know if it is a scam yet and want to protect the (potentially) innocent. If you think the specifics would be useful in helping me identify whether/not this is a scam, I will consider emailing it to you privately.

Again, thanks for all your help and input. I realize this is a really long post but I wanted to be a thorough as possible. I'll post updates if/when I get them. :)
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by truste Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:13 am
I should add: how should I proceed? What are some questions I should ask him to determine legitimacy?
by Mike Wilson Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:10 am
Hello and welcome to scamwarners,

Please post the original email along with the header and we will be able to tell more about this situation.

Find email headers:
http://www.abika.com/Reports/Samples/em ... rguide.htm


Homemail.com is just one of the many free email domains owned by mail.com.

It is ALWAYS a scam
If the pet seller or shipper asks for money to be sent via Western Union, Money Gram, any brand of gift card. Walmart To Walmart , Zelle , PayPal friends and family option, or mentions Cameroon
by Dotti Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:52 am
Unfortunately, avoiding all details is also going to prevent us being able to tell you if it is a scam, but based on what you have written some far, it certainly is a strong possibility. Homemail.com email addresses are free addresses hosted by mail.com. They can be opened anonymously by anyone, and have no connection to anything in the realty profession.


As Mike has said, it would be better to post the emails you have been sent so far, (if something is NOT a scam, we do make it a point to make that clear, and/or remove the topic entirely anyway.) There is a good chance we will be able to identify whether you are dealing with a scammer.

Other things you can do, in the meantime, for any potential arrangment:
-search the apartment photos using tineye or google.
-search phrases in the email itself that seem unique.
-ask questions about the neighborhood.
-continue to ask for clarification of this person's role in the apartment.

One unique thing about New York is that it has fairly strict sublet laws, and you also have to be careful that even if it isn't a scam, you don't enter into an illegal sublet situation, as you could wind up without a place to live when the landlord finds out.

Need to post photos? http://scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3219
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by truste Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:20 pm
Hi guys!

No reply yet from him, but after poking around a bit on the rentals section of this forum, I'm leaning more and more towards scam. It just follows the general format, and upon closer inspection, there are one or two phrases that stand out as a bit odd/awkwardly worded. So since this is likely a scam, here's the original email:

Hello,
Thanks for contacting me. The apartment will be available for your proposed date, as long as you secure it now before some one else does. The apartment is located at #146 West 57th Street, New York, NY 10019. The 1 bedroom is fully furnished, newly renovated with all amenities. Beautiful, Modern, Clean & Newly Renovated 1 Bedroom Apartment, Loaded With All Amenities:
Computer And ** Wireless ** Internet.

Sitting Room
1(one) Bedroom...Full-Size Bed
Full Granite Kitchen
Full Marble Bathroom
Cable TV
Pull-Out Sofa Bed
Iron & Board
Coffee Maker, Filters, & Coffee
Kitchen Utensils
Microwave
Refrigerator

The monthly rent is $1250 and plus a refundable security deposit of $1250, if this is what you are looking for, then let me know so that I can forward lease contract and reservation details for booking.
Please provide the following info, so that we can proceed:

Age:
Sex:
Are you moving in alone?
Your present location?
Exact move in date:

I apologize for being personal but I need to know who is looking forward to rent my apartment, I await your earliest response to my email as soon as possible.

Thanks,

Brett Anthony


Here is the original header:

Delivered-To: xxx
Received: by 10.231.53.16 with SMTP id k16csp65952ibg;
Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.50.17.161 with SMTP id p1mr4471772igd.61.1345878857790;
Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com. [74.208.5.67])
by mx.google.com with SMTP id cw2si22184932icc.25.2012.08.25.00.14.17;
Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.208.5.67 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of [email protected]) client-ip=74.208.5.67;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.208.5.67 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of [email protected]) [email protected]
Received: (qmail 16807 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 2012 07:14:17 -0000
Received: from 172.190.24.108 by rms-us009 with HTTP
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="========GMXBoundary165811345878857239906"
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:14:16 -0400
From: "Brett Anthony" <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Apartment Update
To: xxx
X-Authenticated: #141560500
X-Flags: 0001
X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer
x-registered: 0
X-GMX-UID: Hh5KcKEh3zOlNdVpG3wh6v9+IGRvb0Cg


I guess I should've known that you don't find a place like that for $1250/mo in Manhattan :roll:
by Mike Wilson Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:00 pm
This is a scam. There are several condos at that address that are for sale starting at about$1,000,000 and up, the penhouse is currently on th market for just under $11,000,000.

It is common for the scam artist to use the address from a legitimate rental/real estate ad and claim they have a property at the address for rent.

It is ALWAYS a scam
If the pet seller or shipper asks for money to be sent via Western Union, Money Gram, any brand of gift card. Walmart To Walmart , Zelle , PayPal friends and family option, or mentions Cameroon
by truste Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:29 pm
Yeah, I saw those too, and that's another sign that drove me to come here. They seem like real high-end apartments. The only reason that I wasn't sure is that I'm renting, not buying, so I didn't know how to compare those penthouse sales prices to the listed 1BR-for-rent price. But I think either way it's such an outrageous deal that it just doesn''t add up.

I haven't sent him any compromising info about myself and he hasn't replied yet. If/when he does, should I reply and say I'm no longer interested, or should I ignore it altogether?

Thanks!
by Dotti Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:36 pm
Either will work.

The scammer's looking for some quick cash--when he knows he's not going to get it, he'll move on to the next person.

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by truste Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:06 am
Just got home and found this in my inbox. I think it's a confirmed scam at this point.

Brett Anthony [email protected]

8:21 PM (3 hours ago)

to me
Right now I don't know the next Open House. But, since it's been schedule by the building management (Meaning it's not in my power to fix an open house without waiting for the schedule date of the building management. It is due to the right of the already existing tenants in the building, privacy and safety. However, due to the rush on this apartment I would advise you secure the apartment by making the down payment(which consist of the first month rent and the refundable security deposit), and have the apartment ready on your move in date and also the rent will start counting from your move in date. Though, on point of view and you don't like the apartment your down payment will definitely be refund back to you in cash and at point of view.


Waiting to hear from you before sending the Agreement lease Form.


I should add that another red flag is that he only seems to reply very late at night. I got his first email past 12:00 AM for me, meaning it was 3 AM in NY (I'm in California). According to the timestamp, this one was sent at 11 PM for him. I didn't think too much of it, because I'm quite a night owl myself and regularly stay up past 3 AM, but I realize this isn't normal and it did strike me as a bit odd, making me question whether or not he was actually even in NY.

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