Room for Rent and other rental scams
by Michelle Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:35 pm
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Hb Qa <[email protected]>wrote:
I must confess that I am very very new in this landlord business..However, My name is Brett M Kinsey,I own the house located at (2364 Smallman St, Pittsburgh PA 15222).Due to my job as a missionary I spent less time in the States so I could not get a hold on any Realtor to handle this rent issue, although it was when I knew how long we are going to stay in Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia that I decided to rent out the house and i will be here for (4-5 years).. How ever,the initial plan was to sale out the house.which I tried, but some times the agents inflates the prize and it takes longer to sell i am telling you this in case if you find the house on another website,that is the old advert. because of this reason and more we need a responsible person that can take very good care of it as we are not after the money , but want it to be clean and for you to take of it as if it were yours The rent is $700 and $700 for Security Deposit For this 2BR/2Bath/1800 sqft. Air Conditioner Dishwasher Walk-in Closet Refrigerator Vaulted Ceilings Washer/Dryer Cable etc...Below is my phone numbers
440-579-2504

PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF
Full Name__________________________
Home Phone ( )________________________
Cell Phone ( ) ___________________
Date of Birth_________________________
Current Address_______________________
City____________State______ Zip______
Reasons for Leaving____________________________Rent $________
Are you married_______________________
How many people will be living in the house___________
Do you smoke____________
Do you have a pet___________________________
Do you have a car___________________________
Occupation____________________ ________
Move In Date__________________________ __
How soon can you make the payment_____________
How soon do you want to receive the keys and the document______
Application Comment
============================== =======Please make sure this questions are fill correctly because the best way you answer with your comment will impress me the more to accept your applications.I know you would want to see the house before making any kind of rental payment , which is understandable.We can make arrangement for the keys and documentation including an Authorization letter to be shipped to you,this will give you the opportunity to view house.
Regards
Brett M Kinsey
440-579-2504


Thanks for getting back to me.I just wanted to let you know that we have decided to let you live in our house. As we have found your application very satisfactory and acceptable by my family..So we would want you to go through this email and get back to us on what you feel so we could proceed in renting the house to you.We would like to send the following documents to you via FedEx next day delivery to the address you sent to us...
Here are the contents of the document that needs to be sent.

1) Entrance and the rooms Keys
2) Paper/Permanent house form
3) The house documentary file.
4) Full Description of the house
5) Payment Receipt
6) Signed Lease Agreement Form you are supposed to also sign and get it sent back to me.

The tracking number will be sent to you so that you can possibly occupy our house.Please once again, we are giving you this based on trust so please do not disappoint us and i promise you that, you will love the house. We are with the under listed documents here with us and you will need to make Payment for the deposit and rent (700USD)which is the security deposit to enable shipment of the Keys and documents to the address you have provided to us, after which you could move in at your convenience. The rent only starts counting after you move in,Please note that the deposit made is fully refundable should incase you finally gain entrance into the house after receiving the keys and documents and feel unsatisfied or uncomfortable with the interior,but i am giving you a benefit of doubt that you will love everything about this lovely home.The deposit will be refunded in less than 24 hours after you request for it.Feel free to call my number is (440-579-2504) me for more information....


The thief will tell you that you can rent his accommodation only if you can prove that you have genuine interest. He will ask you send money by wire transfer (normally Western Union) to yourself or a member of the family to show that you have sufficient finances and that you are not a "time waster".

Another variation of this scam is that you need to send (by Western Union or similar money transfer services) money in order that the keys and other documents can be couriered to you

He will ask you to send him the transfer details.

Make no mistake ! These money transfers can be picked up virtually anywhere in the world and with the minimum of identification. They are almost impossible to trace once the money has been collected. You will never get to see the accommodation or your money again.

If you are reading this because you are looking for property to rent, and you are in contact with this thief you are probably searching Gumtree or similar listing sites. If you receive any requests from 'Landlords' asking for some kind of payment by Western Union, or similar money transfer services before viewing, then it will also be a scam. Please forward the mail to me at the address in my signature line and I will investigate and list them if necessary.
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by chapisbored Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:51 pm
I just encountered the same person. What a treat it was to have found your post right before he called me.


First things first, he said



I must confess that I am very very new in this landlord business..However, My name is Andy Williams,I own the house located at (87 Smith St, Charleston, SC 29401).Due to my job as a missionary I spent less time in the States so I could not get a hold on any Realtor to handle this rent issue, although it was when I knew how long we are going to stay in Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia that I decided to rent out the house and i will be here for (4-5 years).. How ever,the initial plan was to sale out the house.which I tried, but some times the agents inflates the prize and it takes longer to sell i am telling you this in case if you find the house on another website,that is the old advert. because of this reason and more we need a responsible person that can take very good care of it as we are not after the money , but want it to be clean and for you to take of it as if it were yours The rent is $550 and $550 for Security Deposit For this 2BR/2Bath/1800 sqft. Air Conditioner Dishwasher Walk-in Closet Refrigerator Vaulted Ceilings Washer/Dryer Cable etc...Below is my phone numbers
440-579-2504

PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF
Full Name__________________________
Home Phone ( )________________________
Cell Phone ( ) ___________________
Date of Birth_________________________
Current Address_______________________
City____________State______ Zip______
Reasons for Leaving____________________________Rent $________
Are you married_______________________
How many people will be living in the house___________
Do you smoke____________
Do you have a pet___________________________
Do you have a car___________________________
Occupation____________________ ________
Move In Date__________________________ __
How soon can you make the payment_____________
How soon do you want to receive the keys and the document______
Application Comment
============================== =======Please make sure this questions are fill correctly because the best way you answer with your comment will impress me the more to accept your applications.I know you would want to see the house before making any kind of rental payment , which is understandable.We can make arrangement for the keys and documentation including an Authorization letter to be shipped to you,this will give you the opportunity to view house.
Regards
Andy Williams
440-579-2504

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and so I responded with a well written thing about myself and he responded with

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Thanks for getting back to me.I just wanted to let you know that we have decided to let you live in our house. As we have found your application very satisfactory and acceptable by my family..So we would want you to go through this email and get back to us on what you feel so we could proceed in renting the house to you.We would like to send the following documents to you via FedEx next day delivery to the address you sent to us...
Here are the contents of the document that needs to be sent.

1) Entrance and the rooms Keys
2) Paper/Permanent house form
3) The house documentary file.
4) Full Description of the house
5) Payment Receipt
6) Signed Lease Agreement Form you are supposed to also sign and get it sent back to me.

The tracking number will be sent to you so that you can possibly occupy our house.Please once again, we are giving you this based on trust so please do not disappoint us and i promise you that, you will love the house. We are with the under listed documents here with us and you will need to make Payment for the deposit and rent (1100USD)which is the security deposit to enable shipment of the Keys and documents to the address you have provided to us, after which you could move in at your convenience. The rent only starts counting after you move in,Please note that the deposit made is fully refundable should incase you finally gain entrance into the house after receiving the keys and documents and feel unsatisfied or uncomfortable with the interior,but i am giving you a benefit of doubt that you will love everything about this lovely home.The deposit will be refunded in less than 24 hours after you request for it.Feel free to call my number is (440-579-2504) me for more information....


Thanks and you are welcome.....



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Then I said
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Hello,

I'm really excited to hear that. In your initial email you said that I would be able to see the house before making any payments. I'm a little nervous about how amazing of a deal this is because your halfway around the world. Is there anyone in town I can meet with at the house?


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This is when I searched his phone number and found this post. Perfect timing too! I got a call from him right after!
I told him, "i just found your messages and phone number on scamwarners.com" he got really flustered and hung up. He had some east asian accent. I emailed him with the link and he responded with.

"I really don't know about that"

So I said "Okay I believe you. Can someone show me the house before I send you money?"


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He said

Hello.
Thanks for your pleasant response... Well, I understand how you feel and all you have said,but i want you to get your mind relax and have FAITH IN GOD ALMIGHTY okay..This's a moment of truth,what shall it profit a man to gain the whole word and looses his/her life,i so much thank GOD that you are a capable and also responsible person. This is what i am also afraid about, that is why i have been praying about this and i know GOD brought us together so just get your mind relax here,i am a missionary man that always keeps to his words and i can never tarnish my image just because of vain lively things that is vanity,i will always pray for you so be rest assured that my house is given to you already cos my family is so excited... I have been disappointed before,by some peoples i trust in the state. So the only person i trust in the state right now that you can meat,has informed us that he as travel to GERMANY for professional course... I want you to know that i have make an arrangement with the shipping company on how to ship the keys/documents of the house to your doorstep ASAP after your deposit fee have been confirmed right here,and they have registered the package for shipping with your name and address. But before the shipping can take place i have to give them their shipping fee... Well, i want you to get your mind relax and have (FAITH IN GOD ALMIGHTY) As i said. Because the BIBLE SAYS IN HEBREWS 11:1-2. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen. (2) For by it,the elders obtained a good report.... So i want you to have it in your mind that you will be the elder that will obtained a good report from me,by shipping you the keys/documents of my house by FAITH. Like-wise what i believe, that i will also be the elder that will obtained a good report from you,by taking very good care of our house like your own okay... I look forward to hear from you ASAP, to know the next step to take...


Remain Bless, With Your Entire Family


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I wanted to be a good person and make him feel terrible so I kept being nice. I told him.

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Good sir,

You'll have to tell me more about yourself than just that. Just because you quote the bible doesnt mean I can trust you.

I have found your exact phone number on a website called 'scamwarners' I'm not an idiot.

Im going to go to the house today and knock on the door.

Tell your friend to call me when he gets back to the states.


Have a nice day.



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He never responded.

What a trip.

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