Craigslist, Ebay and other online buying/selling scams.
by daddy vad Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:39 pm
hi stazie
this just happened to me for £1550 for some music equipment. i gt the exact same offer from ebay email. seller contacts me with the exact word for word email as yours - hi finally i managed .... word for word
i have contacted the police, action fraud, barclays fraud, and ebay.
so far no one has been helpfull at all. the worst being ebay who seem to have no interest in my complaint. they told me after being passed to yes 10 different ppl that they have no workflow to cover this activity and that i should write to ebay USA at their head office in san jose.
after some invetigation on line it seems their is som security issue with ebay meggaging that allows criminals to gather certain info from which u and i have been targeted as well as many others...

have u had any luck anywhere....
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by TerranceBoyce Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:08 pm
Do a forum search and check if the name of the account holder has come up before daddy vad.

Banks do have legal and statutory responsibilities as regards holding the accounts of those engaged in fraud.

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by Stu1987 Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:34 am
hello everyone...


i have just had exactly the same scam unfortunatly i believed it.

it was exactly the same message apart from it was for a van which i needed to run my buisness and it was the exact same email address as Daddy Vad got.

and he said he was on holiday with his wife in the isle of skye too.

i have contacted ebay, my local police and Action Fraud who i was told have all the jurisdiction in the uk.
unfortunatly i doubt this person is actually in the uk.
by TerranceBoyce Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:02 am
Online ad sites are now so inundated with scammers that if you go to them looking for a bargain, and don't know what to watch out for, you're going to get scammed.

Most people don't seem to consider the possibility that there are any scammers on them, but if you go for the best deal, it's virtually inevitable you've selected a scammer. Those who know what to watch out for will ignore them, but they remain in place ready to snare the unwary, and it's all 100% profit for the scammer. It's like a fisherman leaving his baited rods in the water.

The truth is that scammers offer the best deals, so finding a bargain shouldn't make you lose caution because you may just be rushing to throw your money away. The minute you start getting biographies of deceased partners and reasons why they can't be contacted, let them go, or at least verify where they're located with a contact phone number and speak to them.

Ideally you should only buy a vehicle you can go and see, and scammers will always find a reason why you can't do that. A seller should expect buyers to want to view the vehicle. It's only scammers who want you to be incautious.

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by Warship Tue May 14, 2013 4:38 am
All,

I am sad to say that I have also in the last week been a victim of this same fraud. I thought I was buying a motorcycle for £4100, but the individual has disappeared.

I received the same emails described below - on holiday with wife in Isle of Skye, etc.

I have spoke with my bank and the recipients bank (Barclays). Barclays tell me that there is nothing they can do without a prompt from my bank, but my bank tells me that they cannot do anything.

I wonder if Barclays are culpable here? I paid into the following account: 13323617, sort code 20-98-21. Has this account been the recipient of other fraudalent activity? If so, Barclays should have known and taken suitable precautions.
by TerranceBoyce Tue May 14, 2013 8:16 pm
http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=64630&start=30

See my post at 7.32pm on 10th May 2013. Contact Barclays Bank again and ask if they are aware of the position of CIFAS and the police in this matter and ask if he'd care to reconsider his stance, as you intend to submit a formal written complaint that you will pursue through the FOS if the issue isn't resolved to your satisfaction. Making a complaint to the FOS costs you nothing, and I can guide you through the whole process.

It doesn't appear that this account has cropped up before but it would be helpful if you mentioned the name you were given as the account holder.

I can't promise you'll get your money back, though the police and CIFAS state you will in their published statements. You can even press the matter beyond the FOS and, from the numbers of victims this is affecting, it is going to become a scandal if it isn't properly handled by the banks.

Banks don't like complaints going to the FOS as it costs them money and adversely affects their statistics. It also points the FSA to particular weaknesses in their procedures. At a certain level of complaint they can impose sanctions on banks who have particular problems.

I am retired from banking and fobbing off people who complain is unprofessional and counter-productive.

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by Sandra.swanney Thu May 23, 2013 9:49 am
We too have been scammed for £6100 on a fake eBay site for the sale of a renault camper van. Contacted Police, Action Fraud and even our MP who informed us that he cannot act on individual cases. We have now written to Barclays CEO as our bank (LLOYDS TSB) informed us that we were not the first to be scammed on that particular account.
Details of Fraudulent Account is as follows:

Name. Mandy Cristea
Bank details
Sort code 20-91-79
Acc. No. 13459195

It is a total nightmare as none of the authorities seem to take it seriously. The police even stated that they really cannot intervene to stop the account as it has to be in the public interest! To make matters worse because we are in Scotland and the fraudulent account was held in England, the police keep passing the buck saying it is not their responsibility! It really beggars belief and I can see why it is so easy for the criminals to get away with this despicable crime.
I would be interested to hear if anyone else has been caught out with this account

Mod note: Bank acc reported - CW
by TerranceBoyce Thu May 23, 2013 10:42 am
Welcome to Scamwarners Sandra.swanney.

Your MP is a disgrace and what he says is untrue, and anyway the whole point is that your case is merely representative of a fraud that is affecting many people in the UK. My MP has intervened twice on my behalf in matters affecting me individually.

Stella Creasey is a UK MP with a special interest in financial matters and she may be prepared to assist but I'd ask your MP first if he expects you to have your issues dealt with by someone more able. There is an online means of doing this where you can record the response you receive. He may be more inclined to assist if he knows he's going to get scored.

Put in a formal complaint in writing to Barclays using recorded delivery and head your letter 'COMPLAINT'.

Go through the complaints procedure and then take it to the Financial Ombudsman Service, which won't cost you anything, but it will force the bank and the regulator to face the amount of fraud pervading the banking system.

I'll post a link to a thread where I detail the view of various bodies representing the UK financial industry and banks where they state that you will get your money back. If you can find reports where this account has been involved in fraud previously then your claim against them has merit, as they say. It sounds familiar to me.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=64630&start=30

See my post at 7.32 on 10th May 2013.

I'll get round to drawing up a list of steps to take.

You might be interested to read this report

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/443891/law_enforcement_agencies_arrest_six_online_auto_sales_fraud/

The defendants made more than $3 million selling the nonexistent vehicles, the DOJ said.


If nothing is done then sites like ebay and craigslist are doomed. One must hope that they will understand the implications and pressure for action because, at a certain level of fraud, their services become unusable.

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by Paula h Thu May 23, 2013 4:04 pm
Warship,
Dad scammed two weeks ago on ebay, £6000 for car by the same account and sort code that scammed you.
acc name A Pavarini
Sort code 20-98-21
Account 13323617
Barclays Bank

what date did you transfer money into fraudsters account and when did you report to barclays?

Thanks



Mod note: Account reported - CW
by TerranceBoyce Thu May 23, 2013 5:26 pm
I'm from the old school of UK banking and green ink still fills me with terror :shock: but bank inspectors from my day didn't believe in coincidence, and nor do I.

The benefit of raising the issue as a complaint with Barclays and then taking it through the Financial Ombudsman is that at the very least the pattern of frauds will be recorded and noted with an outside regulatory body. Doing it costs you nothing, but the regulator compiles statistics and it forces anomalies to be highlighted.

The pattern of fraud that can be observed from reports made to this forum suggest that something very unusual is taking place.

It's in no one's interest that the current situation continues and likely escalates, but if it isn't possible to stop the scammer at source, then even if the recipient is a unwitting mule, they will have to suffer the consequences, as regrettable as that may be.

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by Paula h Fri May 24, 2013 4:00 am
Terrace Boyce

Have reported to police, barclays, action fraud, ombudsman and dads bank ulster bank. Have a solicitor as well but it seems nobody is doing nothing. Was browsing another forum legal beagles consumer forum and every1 on it has said nobody does nothing and barclays seem to provide these accounts to fraudsters i suggest every1 on here sends their story to the one show as on 15 may they were talking about it and asked every1 who has been a victim to report all to the Bbc one show go onto their website and click send ur story and complete form it only takes couple of minutes to complete.

Thanks paula
by TerranceBoyce Fri May 24, 2013 6:53 am
I speak as someone who is retired from banking so. though I don't claim to be an expert, I'm not an ignorant fool either, and I do have some knowledge of the workings of banks and their systems and procedures.

A number of things are glaringly apparent. There are some clear vulnerabilities within banking and payment systems. There always are and banks have to devise strategies to deal with them otherwise criminals will exploit them to the point at which their customers and the banks themselves are destroyed. If that sounds over dramatic you can read the item I posted in the 'News' forum about the Washington hospital that was taken for $1m recently and, in another forum, a Greek company have had their clients defrauded for large sums of money.

In my day fraud teams (inspectors as we called them) were no nonsense people and they struck fear and terror in all staff. They didn't believe in fairies or coincidences, quite rightly so. The fact that the name of one UK bank in particular keeps cropping up to an extent that is quite bizarre is something which should be looked in to, as it clearly shows that other banks must be doing something they aren't, and it's negligent for them not to find out what it is.

The banks' representatives state quite categorically that victims will get their losses paid back, and I've quoted the links to their statements, and those of the police and other authorities stating the same, in an earlier post on this thread. If they don't mean it, they should issue a revised statement so that people know the risks they're taking using the payment system provided by banks. Moneybox on Radio 4 is another avenue to explore and I would also contact your MP. It is a general issue that has affeceted you specifically and it is quite justified that you raise the issue with him. You can do it through an online portal in which you can give your opinion as to how well he deals with your issue, giving him an incentive to take the matter up. Also Stella Creasey is an MP with a special interest in banks and matters related to finance.

The current attitude appears to be that if the matter is ignored it'll go away, but it won't. It's getting worse and now that it's affecting companies and large institutions, the potential risks are horrific. Based on CIFAS' own figures the amounts involved must be staggering - the maths is easy. 45,000 x £1,000 or £10,000 or more. That's up to half a billion pounds being taken out of UK economy annually through a fraud against which the banks appear to be doing nothing. It appears to be treated as the cost you pay to have a bank account.

The problem is that the criminal faces no risk in performing this fraud and that's a very dangerous situation. It makes ad sites such a risk to use I wouldn't go near one, so there's a risk to commercial activity. The Greek company I mentioned have had someone go through their client list performing fraud against two of them.

Banks will undoubtedly respond with the usual platitudes but they don't work. The vulnerabilities are clear and obvious and I won't risk making matters worse by detailing them, but it's not a secret, and certainly not to criminals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01s8mp3

Have you been the victim of financial fraud? For advice about protecting your identity, spotting scams and sorting out the mess if you are caught out, call 03700 100 444 between 1pm and 3.30pm on Wednesday or e-mail [email protected]


The important thing is to make those outside the banking industry aware of the problem. If you all contact the Financial Ombudsman Service, your MP, programmes like MoneyBox and the One Show, you create a surge of interest that makes it impossible to be ignored.

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by TerranceBoyce Fri May 24, 2013 7:48 am
I'm drawing up a detailed list of the steps you should take if you find yourself defrauded by this type of scam, with links and guidance.

At the step you contact the bank to notify them, whatever part of the bank you contact, preferably the branch where you sent the money - after getting the name of the person to whom you're speaking, insist on getting their fraud department reference from them. State that if you are not given one, you will submit a formal written complaint which will include mention of that person's refusal to pursue your fraud complaint.

The logic is that it makes sure that the person you're speaking to knows that the problem isn't going away and will escalate if they don't deal with it there and then. There's no need to be rude or aggressive. You just need to be firm and resolute.

I suspect that many of these reports never even get to the banks' fraud department, which is the fault of the bank. Your intent is to make sure yours does.

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by ljk Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:56 pm
The exact same scan was sent to me yesterday. I live in California and I was directed to do a wire transfer to Barclays bank in Canada. I don't do wire transfers (red flags went up) so I went looking and found this scam. Too bad really. I forwarded spam e-mail to [email protected] and hopefully they can do some tracking. Thanks for the post everybody.
by TerranceBoyce Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:50 am
Welcome to Scamwarners ljk.

You won't know the background to this, but your information is the most incredible thing I've ever heard, which may surprise you.

If you've got details of the bank account you were asked to use it would be useful to know, but I can guess at some features of it.

The American authorities are very much less forgiving, as British banks should have learned by now.

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