Light Trading Company Limited

Hello

Few weeks ago i'v got email from [email protected] with soft offer. With one of my client we try to do deal with them but buyers bank rejected procedures from seller, exacly this :

8. Buyer pays Via “T/T” wire transfer directly to the Legal Firm of the refinery for the Transaction
allocation code to be titled to the name of the Buyer’s company and gain legal approval from the
Ministry of Energy Russian Federation for Export Permit of product.
9. Seller pays for the Legalization/ Registration of the “CONTRACT” directly to the Ministry of
Energy Russian Federation and scan via email to Buyer for review.


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Subject: Soft Offer and Procedures!
From: Light Trading Company Limited <[email protected]>
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Is this a fake?

Hi Welcome to SW....

I found this via google

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dennis-bailey/35/6b7/12b

and this

http://lighttradingcompanylimited.en.ecplaza.net/

Which suggest that it is legit

However found this

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 2603316162

Which suggest it is not

Personally I would not do business with a company using a gmail addy, and I would expect a legit company to have a website

Hi Welcome to SW....


https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 2603316162

I cant open this site.

Lack of website isn't enough to say it is fake.

You will notice I said that I would expect a genuine company to have a website, I did not state that it was a fake !

Try this link

https:www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=151545628318667&story_fbid=534032603316162

(you will need to copy and paste the link to your address bar)

I know, Gataway,that you didn't state this is a fake. I'm just little worried, because of that payment in procedures, and from monday i'll start procedures wih my client (he accepted procedures), there is only one chance with this client (very big client) I don't want to blow this up.

Welcome to Scamwarners kuba999.

I spent all my life in banking, much of it on the international side, and I can understand why no bank would have anything to do with it. In my opinion no competent bank will touch it with a barge pole.

Asking a buyer to pay for the seller to obtain his export documentation and licence is an absurd idea. It would be interesting to know what the payment details are for the Ministry of Energy.

Thank you guys for saving me time.

I also received attractive offers from this company. They never mention such payment terms in the offer and everything seems real and fine.

Have you done any research on them wing_hk ?

I suggest you do.

Are you purchasing crude oil or edible oil ?

All I'll say is how do you define who is fake and real?
As for the Facebook page posted on here. That so called Gold Scam is the Scam here. What has Gold got to do with Petroleum products?
Secondly, If Light Trading Company Limited could be on LinkedIn and have so much followers and so on, atleast some or most of them could have said something bad about the company.
For all I know, that company(Light Trading Company Limited) is real.
Goodluck guys!

@oilandgas

It is not difficult to get LinkedIn followers. I get a few request each day with my name here. The thing is I just delete them. Now that we are in Social Network era people are accepting any and all to get their numbers up.

You mention gold?

A company that represents it self as Light Trading Company Limited with the amount of years of business in my opinion would not use a Gmail address. I personally would not suggest any one to do business with them.

Do you have a relationship with Light Trading Company Limited or have you done business with them. Please explain.

@wing_hk

You may be at the early stages. Please post their emails to you along with headers. You can find information on how to post headers in my signature below.

@Bryon.
Yes, the company is real. It's not a must to have a website.
Btw, I know a friend who has closed a deal with them.
One more thing, you don't call someone a scammer/fake till you have a convincing evidence that he/she is one.
Light Trading Company Limited is REAL in caps.

[AlanJones]

Very strange that this morning 2 people have turned up here vouching for the company.

Makes you wonder what exactly led them to Google the company's name and visit this forum .

@oilandgas

I asked"

Do you have a relationship with Light Trading Company Limited or have you done business with them. Please explain

You responded:

Btw, I know a friend who has closed a deal with them.

I take this as a no.

Please contact your friend. Tell him to contact Light Trading Company Limited they can come here and vouch their credibility.

We all know the saying "a friend".

One more thing, you don't call someone a scammer/fake till you have a convincing evidence that he/she is one.

Not one person in this thread said that. It was suggested that there are some red flags and posters would not do business with them.

Thank you for joining us, oilandgas! If you hadn't been so adamant in your defense of this company, I probably would have left this thread alone. But your posts caused me to look a little closer.

So I checked out the phone number from linkedin:

1-815-528-5186 YMax Communications Corp. Landline in McHenry, IL

Looks good at first, until you realize that YMax Corp actually means magic jack!
Here's a nice little article about Magic Jack numbers:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-06-08/news/fl-hollywood-house-scam-20120605_1_area-code-magicjack-phone-number
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence, does it?

Personally, I find this the most interesting:
http://www.ttnet.net/ttnet/gotohtm/0/1303238353837393.htm

About Us
We are a direct mandate company from the United States of America to a genuine Russian Petroleum, Petrochemical, Gas, Chemical and Agricultural Refinery in Russian Federation. We have been working with them for over 3 years now with no problem. We are happy to inform you that we are working as a mandated company directly to them. We will therefore like to do serious business with any genuine buyer/buyer mandated company. Let us know if you are willing to accept our supplier offer and good competitive prices with international best practice. Our goal is to provide services that assist our clients/buyers achieve valuable means of earning thei... [Click for detail]

Contact Info
Company Name Light Trading Company Limited
Country of Origin United States of America
State/Province ILLINOIS
City MCHENRY
Address 4314 W CRYSTAL LAKE RD Lighttradingco at gmail.com
Tel 1-815-528-5186
Fax 1-815-528-5186
Zip/Post Code 60050
Contact Person Mr. Dennis Bailey

So the company is now located in Illinois. Let's look at Illinois registrations:

Your search for Light Trading Company Limited, did not match any records in the Corporation/LLC-GS Search database.
Please try again.

(Incidentally I also tried several variants, same results, even scrolled through all names with the word "Light" in them.)

Then I look at the building tenants:
http://www.loopnet.com/Property-Record/4314-W-Crystal-Lake-Road-Mchenry-IL-60050/BtC03ig6w/Tenant/

Business Type Telephone answering service
Business Type Accounting, auditing, and bookkeeping (annual business 120K)
Business Type Septic tanks
Business Type Testing laboratories
Business Type Opthalmologist
Business Type Waterproofing

So, in summary, we have a "company" asking for money transfer, that:
-requests non-standard procedures that have already been rejected by at least one bank
-Uses gmail
-claims to have been around at least 7 years but has no website
-claims to be able to do business with buyers anywhere in the world
-has no registration record in the state where it claims to be located
-does not have a real phone number where it is located, but instead uses a magic jack, a tool that can be used anywhere in the world (and is a tool known to be abused by scammers.)
-does not match anything on the tenant list of the building where it claims to be located

Now, I am located in Chicago, and could easily take a trip over to that building--but frankly, it isn't worth my time. The red flags here are enough to stop me.