car scam suspected

Hi
Need a help my boyfriend was contacted by man name Robert Williams wanting to buy his car for little more money trough paypal it looked a little bit to suspicious so there is a last email form man please help with advice,we are from ireland and car was up for sale un gumtree.


Regards Laima



i hope you must have been notified in your email
about the payment i made through PayPal,you can check your
email for you to see
confirmation of payment,I have just make the payment of 1,550 euro,i have
decided to add the amount of 450 euro For the shipping agent ,i also add
100 euro for the western union fees and for the inconvenience which i
paid through PayPal,you can now send 450 euro to my pick up agent via
western union so he can be able to come for the pick up and also
PayPal said they won't release the funds until they get the western
union information from you due to the fact that i emailed them about the excess
payment i made.I will need you to send the 450 euro to my pick up agent
Headquarters where they normally confirm any commission payment to via
western union money transfer(this can be done from the post office, as
they usually have a western union agent there) , Here is my pick up
agent Headquarter info
needed to get the money sent through western union money transfer:

Justin Freeman
74 burrage road,
Woolwich,SE18 7LL
London,
United Kingdom



Please kindly email the necessary details to paypal the mtcn which you
will be given at the western union after the 450 euro has been sent as
well as the sender's name and address used to send the money through
western union as well as the secret question and answer used in
sending the 450 euro so i can forward it to paypal or better still you can
email it to paypal directly.Please send your full address to arrange
pick up.

Thanks for your Business

It's undoubtedy a scam - by a very brainless scammer. He sends you Euros 450 by Paypal so that you can send it back to him by Western Union that he'll return to you by Paypal. It doesn't mke any sense. He'll send you fake Paypal messages which will confirm the money has been sent (which it hasn't) so that you send him money by Western Union, which he'll run off with as soon as he gets it.

The point is to trick you into believing he's sent you money and to get you to pay him Euros 450.00.

The only people who buy cars and use shipping agents to collect them (certainly for cars costing Euros 1,000) are scammers. It's the only way they can think of to play this complex 'money go round' so that you don't realise you are ending up paying your money to the pretend buyer.

No seller should ever send money to a buyer. He doesn't want your car - he wants your money.

Please let us know what e-mail addresses he's using so that others will be warned. Undoubtedly he's playing this scam on hundreds of sellers and hopes that just a few will fall for it.

I'm hoping you haven't sent any money at this point. As GomerPyle said, It is a scam.

Paypal transfers are instant. They do not hold money for shipping, tax, or any other reason. The scammer has sent or will send you fake emails supposedly coming from paypal, claiming that the payment has been sent--he might then send threatening emails, supposedly from law enforcement, if you haven't sent the money. What the scammer wants is the 450 euro, as he or an accomplice is the shipping agent.

If you would like confirmation from paypal, just forward the "paypal" email you received directly to paypal (I think the address is [email protected]). They will also confirm that the email is a fraud.

Then just ignore him, or tell him that you contacted paypal and they told you it is a fake and you will not be doing business with him. If he tries to continue contact after that, just don't respond.

I have been waiting to read from you regarding the mtcn number that will

be given to you at the western union money transfer after you might have

send the 450 euro to my shipping agent and its very surprising you did not

reply back to my last email..I am getting worried over this..Please let

me know if you have send the money via western union and if you've not

done it make sure it is
done today.I will be waiting to read from you regarding the information

that will be given to you at the western union and also your address for

the pick up and i will be very glad for this.Please make sure you get

back to me ASAP.


Nice doing business with you.





the latest news from the guy,no we didn't send any money or nothing,he seemed very genuine and i never had anyone trying to do that to us ,really surprising what people are doing those days for money



[email protected] this the guys email address for future



Thanks for ur help this website is great help keep up the good work!!!!

He's also trying this scam here in Canada...

I received the exact same emails from this guy. He's using the alias Tony bobo. He has 2 different emails

[email protected]
[email protected]

You'll also notice that the pay pal email address is not even through paypal. He uses the name [email protected] the exact name paypal uses when u set up a new account accept it's coming from [email protected].

Total scam!!!

I just avoided a scam myself. He stated in his email that he had deposited the money into paypal but that they were holding the money until I sent $1200 to his pick up agent. He also included $100 for the western union fees. His email was [email protected]. They obviously make multiple email addresses to avoid being caught. I forwarded the emails to [email protected]. As one person said the paypal emails do not make any sense. The email isn't from paypal, [email protected] [[email protected]], it's actually a gmail account. I sure hope no one is actually fallling for this scam. Below is one of the emails from this scammer.

Hi (my name here),i have just made the payments now and i expect paypal to have emailed by now,check your paypal email address if you have been messaged yet, i sent $26,700.00 in all, paypal said they would be holding the funds because of the excess payments of $1300 added meant for pick up of the item and due to the fact that i emailed them about the excess payment i made,until they get the western union information from you,the item is being delivered to Australia in QLD, i will need you to send the $1200 to my pick up agent Headquarters via western union money transfer(this can be done from the post office, as they usually have a western union agent there),i added extra $100 to cover the western union charges which shouldn't be more that $100-100 but just to be sure i added $100, Here is my pick up agent Headquarter info needed to get the money sent through western union money transfer:

AGENT INFO TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS
Justine Maxwell
9-13 Bombay Street,
London,
SE16 3UX
UK

CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP
Albert Magarni
51 East St, Gatton,
Queensland,
4343 Australia

Please kindly email the necessary details to paypal :the mtcn which you will be given at the western union after the $1200 has been sent as well as the sender's name and address used to send the money through western union used in sending the $1200 so i can forward it to paypal or better still you can email it to paypal directly,that is fine with me as well for the money i sent to be credited into your account after they might have receive the information they needed to release the whole money in your account..And i will need you to send me your home address and mobile number in full so that i can forward it to the agent to know where the item will be picked up.
Cheers.

If a person wants payment by Western Union then there's no reason he can't send your money, in the first instance, by Western Union, is there ?

To be honest, there's no reason, when you're selling something, that you should have to pay anyone anything. It's only to perform a scam that the simple business of selling something ends up so complicated.

You're asked to pay a shipping agent ? - it's a scam.

This Robert Williams contacted me through an ad I had on Autotrader, stating that he wanted to buy my vehicle as a gift for his uncle. He insisted I set up an account via paypal and in doing so he has gotten me involved in an advance fee scam. Here's how he's doing it now. First you get a paypal account setup, then paypal sends email you saying that the amount is waiting to be deposited in your account, plus extra, plus western union fees if you first send money to his shipping agent. I got burned by this. The emails that paypal used are both legitimate as they both link to their site. Paypal then refunds all of his money and you are left on the hook with whatever you sent by WU. Paypal also sent me an email stating that the transaction was outside of paypal policy. His shipping agent is Juan O Cepeda of Houston and Williams has gone by other names as well, including Michael Johnson, Amber Marshall, Michael Jones, John Ramos, John Williams, and George Russel. Each time he contacts a buyer as being interested in a vehicle, then goes on how he's at sea being an engineer of some sort. Paypal claims their scam rate is .5 percent, but I think it's higher, much closer to 20 percent.

Hello TCraddock and welcome to Scamwarners!

I'm very sorry to hear you were scammed. The emails may have looked like they came from paypal and scammers cleverly link to the real paypal site but the emails are fake. They did not come from paypal. The links are just added to make it look legit. If you check the actual email address they will not have come from @paypal.com. Both Paypal and Western Union are in the business of transferring money. They are competitors so PayPal will not tell you to send money through a competitor.

Please post all the email addresses including the one from the fake Paypal emails the scammer used. It will help others avoid this scammer.

Justin

I'm sorry you were scammed.

I do want to clarify, though:

then paypal sends email you saying that the amount is waiting to be deposited in your account, plus extra, plus western union fees if you first send money to his shipping agent.

Paypal does not send this email. The scammer does. The only email Paypal actually sent you was the one setting up your account. Paypal will NEVER send you an email instructing you to send money to someone by Western Union. Paypal is a money transfer company like WU. WU is paypal's competition. By sending you to Western Union, Paypal would be losing money. In addition, Paypal transfers are instant. Even if Paypal puts a hold on the money, you will be able to log into your account and see it there. If the scammer transferred it to you, it would show in your account immediately. Paypal is not an escrow service, and they make that clear on their website.

The emails that paypal used are both legitimate as they both link to their site

They are not legitimate. The scammer has copied legitimate paypal emails, and possibly has spoofed a real paypal address, to make it look more real. If you forward those emails to their security team at [email protected] they will confirm that the emails did not come from Paypal.

Paypal then refunds all of his money and you are left on the hook with whatever you sent by WU.

No money was refunded, because no money was sent in the first place. The scammer only pretended to send money. If he had actually sent money, it would have appeared in your account, and if he tried to reverse it, would be put on hold until the dispute was resolved.

Paypal claims their scam rate is .5 percent, but I think it's higher, much closer to 20 percent.

Paypal has nothing to do with this scam, and they are in no way responsible for it. No money was ever sent through them. They have absolutely no way to control fake emails that are sent from one individual to another. Used properly, paypal is actually one of the safer ways to conduct online business. Unfortunately, scammers like to take advantage of people who are unfamiliar with paypal, and don't know how to use it properly.

Boy was I ever roached, too much good information, just too late. Justin, I have the email addresses that the Paypal scammer sent, the first is [email protected] and the second is [email protected], please avoid the email addresses roberthereiam@gmail and [email protected]. Also avoid Amber Marshall as well.

They tried to scam me as well. The "PayPal" email from:

[email protected]. (interesting it has a '.' at the end)

which was also from:

[email protected]

Obviously not really from paypal.

Person I was dealing with day-to-day was (with the name Josh Moses): [email protected]

Finally, the address they wanted me to wire money to was:

Name:Sarah Moore
street:37 Allestree Street
Derby
Alvaston
De24 8tt
England

Hope that helps.

Welcome to ScamWarners nedalm. It is great that you realized that this was a scammer. Thank you for posting this information for others to find too.

I need a help, i dont speak english very well. i dont use paypal often and i had never use paypal for receivnig money. so i really dont know if its normal if they want me to pay by WESTERN UNION more than 20% of amount. But i think it´s scam. Please, let me know what do you think about this:
" Hello [email protected] ,

This email confirms that you have received an Instant payment of €3.900.00 EUR Fello Adams ([email protected]) via Pay Pal MERCHANDISE Payment Service.

Reversals : This method of payment can not be reversed.

Status : Pending - Transport Company Awaiting Payment.

View the "NOTE" of this pending transaction below


Payment Details

Merchandise Amount: €3.000.00 EUR
Transport Charges:


Total:
€800.00 EUR
€3.900.00 EUR
Transaction: 4WR6072127779652U
Quantity: Bike
MERCHANDISE Title:



Transport Company: " COURIER EXCHANGE "

Address: Martins Alex
Courier Exchange Logistics.
South Quay Plaza, 183 Marsh Wall
London, E14 9SR
United Kingdom



Address Status: Confirmed



NOTE: This is to confirm to you that the said amount has been successfully transferred by the Sender and been deducted from his Account which is ready to be credited into your account, been that this Payment has been subjected to be a Payment for an MERCHANDISE purchased from you, we reserve the right to make sure this transaction is safe and secured also to verify the legitimacy level on this transaction because of the high sum of funds involved.

The above sum has Included the transport charges and taxes as we and the Transport Company quoted for the buyer (as per PayPal MERCHANDISE PAYMENT POLICY). You will receive a Message from the PayPal Customer Verification Department Shortly informing you on how to send the Transport fares and taxes to the transport company with the above details as soon as possible.

You may contact PayPal customer service by Clicking Here or reply directly to this email by using the reply button in your Mail Box and Quote the Above Transaction ID for quick recognition of this transaction.
Sincerely,

The PayPal Team. "

It is a scam. The email is a fake and was sent by the scammer, not by paypal. If you log into your paypal account, you will see that the "payment" does not show up in your account. That's because it doesn't exist. If you sent $900 to the "transport company" (which is a mule for the scammer, not a transport company, you would lose that money forever. You would never receive a payment, and nobody would ever show up for the bike, either, because the scammer is actually only after cash.

A few things you should know about paypal that will help you to avoid being scammed:

1) they do not act as an escrow service. They will not hold payments pending shipment or inspection. If a buyer or a seller tells you they will do this, then you are dealing with a scammer. Payments made will immediately show in your account. Note that if you are a new seller, they might have a holding period in which you cannot withdraw the money, but it will still be in your account and you can see it when you log directly into paypal. I

2) Paypal makes its money through transfer fees. If you need to transfer money to anyone, they will want you to send it through them. Western Union is a competitor of paypal. Paypal will NEVER direct you to send any money to anyone by Western Union (or for that matter, through moneygram or bank transfer. If they do that, they don't get the transaction fees, which means they essentially lose money.

3) Never follow a link in an email that is supposedly from paypal. Always type in their website address to make sure you are really on their website and looking at your account.

4) Any time you receive a suspicious email that is supposedly from paypal, you can forward it to [email protected] and they will verify whether the email really came from them.