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by Machi Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:12 am
First of all sorry for my poor english, i'm not native. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

About end of may my mom met a guy at tagged.com by the name of Charles Anderson from UK. He claimed to be a divorced with one daughter name Princess. They build a serious relationship quickly through intense communications by mail, chat, sms and phone. By the mid of June the guy proposed my mom. He said that he has a business in Malaysia and need help for opening a non resident account in local bank there. He borrowed US$1,500 for that. To prove it, he send her a letter of intentions stated that he will marry her and pay back her money.

Few weeks later he told my mom that he wanted to move from UK to Indonesia to live here together with her. He also told her that he wanted to build a strong business in Indonesia. In order to do that, he told her that he would transfer his funds (GBP640,000) from UK to her account in Indonesia. He make a letter of authorization to his bank (crfinancesecurities) to give her an authorization to release his funds into her account regarding with his intention to build a family with her. To prove that his letter of authorization is legit, he send her his passport even his username and password for his account. Then, based on his letter of authorization my mom makes an application to the bank (crfinancesecurities) to transfer the funds. In the process, she got a replied email from Mr. Loh Mee Sim as crfinancesecurities director of foreign operations malaysian branch which stated that the money is already moved to the paying bank (HSBC Kuala Lumpur), and she has to pay some charge sum of US$45,000 for administration and anti money laundry certificate and transfer to his account in HSBC Selangor Malaysia.

Charles asked my mom to pay a part of the charge, sum of US$20,000 (as his debt to my mom) and the rest of US$25,000 is his responsibility. There fore he issued a letter of undertaking which stated that he will come to Indonesia and marry my mom and pay his US$20,000 debt to her. Then, my mom transfer the US$20,000 via bank transfer to Mr. Loh Mee Sim account in HSBC Selangor, Malaysia.

Several days later Charles talked to my mom, asking her to pay the rest of the charge sum of US$25,000 with the reason that it is already the deadline (unless the funds will be moved to the diplomatic hands) while he doesn't have the money at that moment. He said that he is having an accident and needed surgery. My mom advise him to make a letter to crfinancesecurities requested to extend the deadline till end of July, my mom told him that she won't pay anything more until he came to Indonesia. He has sent the letter of extending deadline. He's remain asking my mom to pay the US$25,000 first by the end of this month, then he will payback all of his debt sum of US$46,500 plus all the transfer fees. My mom said no pay anything more.

Thanks to this forum, now we realized that this case is just like one of the case in here. So we would like to know your opinion in our case. Is this a scam ? If yes, what should we do now and is there any ways to get our money back? We already lost US$21,700 now. Thanks.

So far this is what we know about Charles Anderson :
http://www.tagged.com/profile.html?uid=5419494175
divorced with 1 daughter

address (from sms) :
No 4 Abbot Street, E8. London Borough of Hackney

phone :
+447031830355 (UK)
+60129446553 (malaysia)

his passport :
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by The Enchantress Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:24 am
Welcome to Scamwarners Machi. I am sorry to note that you have lost money to this scammer.

This is a definite scam. Please cease all contact with this scammer.

I will investigate further and offer more examples, but noticed this;

According to his address given on "tagged";

42, Male, Londonderry County Borough, United Kingdom


This is in Northern Ireland.

Yet address given (from sms) :

No 4 Abbot Street, E8. London Borough of Hackney


This is in England.

The telephone number is also not proof of UK residency - it is a service that redirects to any cell phone worldwide, and often used by scammers. The passport is also has a fake photo added.
Last edited by The Enchantress on Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:26 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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by Ralph Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:54 am
Hi Machi

Welcome to Scamwarners

As The Enchantress said, it is definately a scam, I can do a little more digging as well but before I do, if you take a look at that passport you will see it has been edited, notice something missing on the side of his head, and the uneven line around his face, by Africam scammer standards it is quite a good job but a definate fake

Just adding, it is the ear thats missing :wink:
Last edited by Ralph on Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
by The Enchantress Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:55 am
What do I do if you've been scammed?

Cease all communications with the scammer immediately. Delete any emails unopened and hang up if the scammer calls you.

Report the scam to your local police. There is not much chance that the scammer will be caught, as he is probably overseas and certainly using false details. However, the more scams are reported, the more the authorities can tell how widespread it is, and the greater the effort that goes into stopping it.

If you have given the scammer your bank account, credit card or other financial details, tell your bank, card company or other provider immediately, and ask them to change your accounts and card numbers.

Do not accept any deliveries that are from the scammer or that you are not expecting. If you receive a check or something similar (such as a money order) take it to your bank or local police and tell them you think it is fake.

Do not panic. Whilst scammers are criminals and some of them are dangerous, the risks are negligible if you simply stop communicating with them. If you are in any doubt about your safety, report your concerns to your local police, who will be able to advise you.

Don't expect to get your money back. I am afraid there is very little prospect of that happening, and anyone who tells you they can get your money back for a fee is a scammer. Please see our section on money recovery scams for more information.

Spread the word. We know it's very uncomfortable to feel that you got conned, or nearly got conned, but if you fell for it, so will others. Talking about it may be hard, but the more you help educate everyone about scams, the less opportunities there are for scammers to defraud others

Ask here for help and advice. It's why we are here.

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by Ralph Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:01 am
Just reading through
The UK number is a 4470 number, these numbers are redirect numbers that can be obtained by anybody from anywhere in the world, calls to these numbers will redirect to whereever the scammer may be and in this case in Malaysia

Another good indicator of a scam

Just ading, unfortunately there is no way you will ever get your money back, these people are untraceable working from internet cafes with fake names and fake details

There is a good chance that the name they have assumed is a previous victim of their who was unfortunate enough to provide an ID to them

Please also be aware of recovery scams, we have a section on that here as well
by The Enchantress Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:27 am
Hi again Machi.

Please note these searches on "scammers name" click here and click here

Do any of them look familiar ?

Further information on this scam will alert and save others losing money.

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by Arnold Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:41 am
100% scam for the reasons already given.
Also
There is no such thing as an anti money laundry certificate. Or Anti-Terrorism certificates, or Drug-Free certificates. Anyone who asks you to pay for one is a scammer.
"Diplomatic hands". Diplomats represent their country. They do not ship money around the world for members of the public.
UK adult passports last 10 years, not five.

by Clair Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:14 pm
Hi Machi, Welcome to Scamwarners, but sorry to hear about your mother's involvement in a scam.

I am not going into too much detail on this public forum, however, it looks like there could be some relationship between the people who scammed your mother and the one reported in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3070

Please supply any additional details that you might have? Was the initial $1,500 sent via a bank transfer? Especially information about any money sent to the scammers such as: names, addresses, websites, email addresses or telephone numbers. If you are not comfortable posting them, please feel free to send them to me in PM.

I see you already posted this information:
transfer the US$20,000 via bank transfer to Mr. Loh Mee Sim account in HSBC Selangor, Malaysia.
Please send me any additional information you have on that transfer, especially the bank account details.

Clair

Edit: By the way this website: http://www.crfinancesecurities.com is a fake bank website and it has been reported to the host as being involved in fraud.
by Machi Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:57 pm
OMG... Just read all of your reply... DAMN..!! sorry...

this is the details account about Dr. Loh Mee Sim :
ACCOUNT NAME: LOH MEE SIM
BANK NAME : HSBC BANK
ACCOUNT NO : 202550562108
SWIFT CODE :HBMBMYKL
ADDRESS :HSBC BANK PETALING JAYA SELANGOR MALAYSIA

this is the detail about the US$1,500 (5000MYR) via western union :
Receiver : precious koketso marumo
MTCN : 346-572-8681

email addresses that already contacted us :
[email protected] (used by Dr. Loh Mee Sim)
[email protected] (used by Charles Anderson)
[email protected] (used by Controller Foreign Currency Operations)

N btw i've told my mom to close her bank account that she used to transfer US$20,000 to Mr. Loh after reading ur advise in the other post. Thanks guys.
by Clair Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:15 pm
Hi Machi, How is your mother taking the news? Does she realize now that it is a scam? Please keep us posted.

As mentioned earlier, you should also report it to your local police.

Clair

byw...I reported the bank account to our expert who deals with those things.
by Steven Milner Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:57 pm
Machi

You should notice that the following email facilities do not work now :

[email protected] (used by Dr. Loh Mee Sim)
[email protected] (used by Controller Foreign Currency Operations)

This is because they were being used for illegal purposes and they have now been shut down. The same is true for the website http://www.crfinancesecurities.com

All of it was fake just to make the scam look more genuine.

Be wary of emails from these people who will now use free web based email addresses like Yahoo or Hotmail etc as they no longer have access to their@crfinancesecurities email addresses. They will claim to have technical issues and internet problems with the site.

My instinct tells me that they have been successful with this format, so they will attempt to have the website and email addresses hosted elsewhere. If the website comes back online, it will be because another hoster has been paid to host the site.

Alternatively, they may have a back-up website of a different name which the victim will be referred to. Be sure to let me know if they come back with anything else, websites or email addresses that look official, and I will take care of it.

SM

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