Chinese export business

Dear all,

Recently I came into contact with a Chinese business that offered me the product I was looking for after I sent them a request on a trade website (tradekey or similar). They seem to have exactly the product I am looking for (they sent me pictures), but I am a little hesitant to order.

The company is Zhejiang Medicines and Healt Products I&E (ZMC), which should be a state-owned company. Their main website is www.zmcchina.com. However the person who contacted me uses the email server zmcchina.cn and the website www.zmcbiomed.com.

One of the reasons I am hesitant is that the company is located in or around Hangzhou, but the website www.zmcbiomed.com seems to be hosted in Hong Kong while the ZMC China website(s) are hosted in Hangzhou itself. Furthermore the website is fairly new and the registrar is Xin Net.

I was wondering if one of you either knows this company and/or could help me determine whether it is safe to go through with this process or not. If you need any more information please let me know. Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Gerry

any domain that is registered only for one year is highly suspect as a scam site. Regular business pays a few dollars more to take the total price/year down (1) because they plan on being there, (2) it makes good financial sense to pay less. Scammers know their domains will not likely last a year, therefore they only buy a year at a time.

IP address is equally as important when trying to trace emails as name servers are. Either one or both can be spoofed easily, so they need to cross reference each other.

Domain Name: ZMCBIOMED.COM
Registrar: XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION
Whois Server: whois.paycenter.com.cn
Referral URL: http://www.xinnet.com
Name Server: NS11.XINCACHE.COM
Name Server: NS12.XINCACHE.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 24-sep-2013
Creation Date: 24-sep-2013
Expiration Date: 24-sep-2014


I don't know why you think hosting is even an issue, but you have your reasons, I guess. The location of the host has nothing to do with anything.

Only a complete due diligence search on your part will confirm or deny weather or not the place is "SAFE". I don't think anyone on this site or any other volunteer site would give an opinion one way or the other.

The major factor that will eventually come into play is how to pay. If they ask for a TT / Wire transfer to pay, you can bet they are scammers, especially if the name on the account is not the name of the business.

You run the risk of being charged with importing fake merchandise, if you receive fake merchandise ( more likely you will receive nothing). The fact is by the time you get done paying all of the legal tariffs, and everything else that goes along with importing you are not that much better off than if you find your items on sale somewhere. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, and I don't know all of your circumstances, but I speak in general terms.

The simple question I would ask you GerryPace, is how you'd intend to get your money back if they took your money and didn't send any goods ? I could make a lot of smart remarks at this point but basically you have no means of recourse whatsoever if they choose not to send you anything and, that being the case, it's an open invitation for them to do that whatever their status.

As far as I am aware there is no earthly method of confirming the regularity of any Chinese company or even their status as a company and whether being state-owned makes them more or less reliable is open to question.

Knowing precious little about the company, in financial terms you are taking a bet in which your best outcome is to come out even and at worst could lose everything. Businessmen don't gamble and a gambler wouldn't take those odds.

HB has also mentioned more risks and there may be others depending on what type of health products you're proposing to import and the laws in the importing country.

Thank you for your input. How would I cross reference the person that is e-mailing me with the company they claim to be affiliated with?

About the fact that this website is located in Hong Kong, I thought that was strange because the rest of the company and its affiliates' websites are located in Hangzhou. Furthermore the registrar, Xin Net, does not seem to have a spot free reputation.

For the record, the product in question is a disposable lab item which is not restricted by law in any way.

How would I cross reference the person that is e-mailing me with the company they claim to be affiliated with?

OK, are you talking about the email address, or the person themselves? If its the email address, you look at the IP address in the full header, then use a DNS tool to look up that IP and verify that the name server (ns) matches that IP address (or range as the case may be). This can only prove the person is using the company account they claim to be with (assuming they have not been hacked). It can not prove who the person is, ever.

if you are talking about the person, you have 2 basic options. (1) go there in person and watch the guy send you and email from his account, and ask for his ID to prove who he is. The fact is you can never prove who is on the other end of the keyboard until after you have met them, period.

(2) hire a due diligence company that is willing to take the risk of their findings. Mind you, due diligence does not come without cost, but as TBoyce said, if you look at it as "you will lose" vs "what you may gain" then spending a few hundred dollars on a due diligence search may be well worth the time and cost. On the other end of the lens, a total loss by a scammer will always prove to a major loss.

Also don't let anyone tell you there is no such thing as credit in China. It may not be as prevalent as it is here in the US, but the fact remains it exists. Anyone trying to charge you before you receive your product should be treated as a scammer, no matter if they deserve that label or not. With a credit card purchase at least you have some protections that you will either receive your product, or they will reverse the charge. wire / TT / bank transfers offer zero protection for you.

Hi Gerry, the email address related website "www.zmcbiomed.com" is not below to the company www.zmcchina.com.

I'm finding a lot of varied businesses using their claimed business location and I only looked through the first two search pages . Scam stay away .

zmcbiomed.com

ADD：101-2，N. ZHONGSHAN ROAD, XIACHENG DISTRICT,HANGZHOU, ZHEJIANG
P.C.：310003
MEDICINE DEPARTMENTE NO.1:
TEL: 0086-571-28935878
FAX: 0086-571-87922186
E-mail: [email protected]
MEDICINE DEPARTMENTE NO.2:
TEL: 0086-571-28935884
FAX: 0086-571-87922185
E-mail: [email protected]


zmcsteel.com

ZMC Metal
Address: ZMC Building, 101-2.N. Zhongshan Road,
Hangzhou, 310003, Zhejiang Province, China
Tel:0086-571-28938368 (directly)
Fax:0086-571-87922182,
Fax:0086-571-87016758,
Fax:0086-571-86016777,
Fax:0086-571-87010388
Email: [email protected]
Email: [email protected]


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