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by IveTriedThat Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:56 am
I received an email this morning asking me to look into this job posted at CL.

REAT LIVE-IN JOB! NO KIDS! NO CLEANING! Then it says this a live-in job as a personal assistant to a single successful businessman. No experience is needed. You must be honest, willing to work, pleasant to be around, easy going, and someone who enjoys to travel. No drugs, no smoking in house, no drama. The home is a luxury two story house in a great neighborhood. You would do much of your work in an office in the home-simple office work. You would help out in the kitchen. You would keep him organized and do all the little things that take up much of his time each week. You will need to be willing to relocate to Phoenix within a month or so. All your living expenses would be paid. Your starting salary would be at least $300 a week in cash. There will be lots of travel to interesting destinations with all travel expenses paid. Aso, if you are ambitious, there will be opportunities to advance and no limit on how you could do financially in this situation. The ideal candidate would be able to stay at least six months.


The same job ad is posted on classified sites around the world. Obviously something is amiss here, but I haven't seen this one before. What do you guys think?
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by Dotti Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:07 am
Assuming this is a scam (and I agree, one does not need to search worldwide to find someone to fulfill these responsibilities), it will most likely be a visa scam. The scammers target people from other countries, then they send them to their "travel agent" or something along those lines, to get the appropriate visa paperwork. Of course fees will be required to process your visa...This is common with au pair scams, but we have seen other "jobs" using the same basic scam. In the end there is no job and no visa, of course.

In a current au pair thread, when the victim told him he doesn't need a visa, the scammer quickly changed stories and said the money would be needed for a mandatory au pair training course-the story behind the money demaind may change from time to time.

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by IveTriedThat Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:11 am
Thanks for the reply Dotti.

I should have clarified a bit more though. The person who wrote to me found the ad in the Memphis CL and the "job" is being advertised in Phoenix. You wouldn't need a visa to move across states so that's why I was thinking this wasn't an au pair scam.

Hmm, I should see if I can find a copy of the ad and string the guy along to hopefully find out what he's after.
by The Enchantress Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:55 am
Welcome to Scamwarners IveTriedThat.

The "relocation" mentioned in the advertisement will most likely require some fees/visa requirements, maybe requested wired by Western Union or Moneygram to the scammer/travel agent/some other official, who is also most likely the same scammer, and could be anywhere in the World. Also the web is viewable worldwide.

This scammer could also be aiming at attracting those in the USA, hoping to interest/entice with high/generous salary, living expences paid and travel opportunities. Again, maybe a prior fee/deposit required - or a counterfeit cheque or money order sent to cover travel expenses, with money wired back to the scammer.

Exact worded advertisements posted on these sites;

http://atlantaga.creativeloafing.com/DomesticJobs/great-live-in-job-lots-of-travel-no-kids/6254271

http://sf.backpage.com/DomesticJobs/great-live-in-job-lots-of-travel-no-kids/5814560

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by Dotti Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:28 pm
I see your point, I'vetriedthat--I didn't realize it was being posted all over the US, assumed it was targeting other countries.

It could still go the visa route with the "travel to interesting destinations" language --you may need the passport/visa for your job-related travels.

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by IveTriedThat Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:31 pm
Now, it gets weird.

I responded to one of his ads and received this:

My name is Angelique Morris and I work part time for a 52 year
old businessman here in Arizona. He needs someone to work
as his full time, live-in
personal assistant.

This will be a spectacular situation for the right person.

He is hoping to find someone who will stay long term. 4 months
would be the minimum. However, there will always be the need
for a live-in assistant so if the job worked out you could stay as
long as you liked.

You would keep him organized and do the shopping and
deal with the people who work in his home. He has a lady
who does the cleaning so that would not be one of your
duties.

He runs his businesses out of two offices in his home and
you would have your own desk and high speed computer
connection to the internet. He does not expect to hire
anyone who would know how to do everything that he needs
done and he is expecting to train whomever he hires. There
is nothing very complicated, just getting to know how he
likes things done. You should, however, know your way around
the internet.

All of your living expenses would be paid plus a salary each
week in cash or by check, whichever you prefer. The exact
amount of that salary is something that you would discuss
with him.
There would be frequent raises based on performance.

There may be questions of how you would get to phoenix, health
insurance, dental insurance, etc. Those you can ask him directly.

The work would be relaxed and low pressure.

You are not required to drive. If you do drive, he will make a car available
to you in order to run errands and to use on your own time. The car would
be purchased between 4 and 8 weeks after you begin working.

He travels frequently on business and just to relax. The destinations
are always interesting and he favors beach resorts.. It will be
much more productive for him on any of these trips to have
an assistant with him. All travel expenses would be paid of course.

As an example - he visits Hawaii twice a year and San Diego and Las
Vegas frequently, to mention a few.

His home is a luxury, two-story, four-bedroom house in a great
area of Phoenix in the foothills. We can send you photos if you
wish. You would have your own bedroom and bathroom.

There is a gym in the home but you would also be given a membership
to the best health club in Arizona, Lifetime Fitness. It is very helpful
for him to have someone go with him and keep track of what exercises
he needs to do and what he does, etc. Sort of like a work-out buddy.
You can look at the club online, I think you will be impressed. Go
to lifetimefitness..com and look for the club in Tempe, Arizona.

He likes to lead a healthy life style and is revamping his diet to avoid
red meat, sugar, dairy and a few other problem foods. You would help
him do the shopping, make vegetable juice with a juicer (he has several)
help him clean and cut up fruits and vegetables. If you can cook, fine.
If not, he will be happy with juice and salads..

There is something else about this job that I would like to share
with you. If you are an ambitious young lady and interested in
getting involved in business and doing very well for yourself financially,
you will find this very interesting:

After 3 months of getting organized and doing all the personal assistant
tasks routinely, he would be willing to work with you to see if you can
take responsibility working in one or more of his small business projects.
If you do well, there is no limit on how well you could do financially.

That would take 3 additional months, and if all goes well, bonuses would
start exactly 6 months after you first move in.

By the way, becoming involved in his business ventures is optional. He will be
perfectly happy with someone who wants to stick with the basic personal
assistant job.

He is hoping to find someone who can start soon, but is willing to wait
a month or two if necessary.

If you are interested in this opportunity, please reply to me at
this address.

Or feel free to contact him directly at [email protected].

Have a blessed day!

Angelique Morris


I responded saying I was interested and what are the next steps and "Angelique" wanted a picture of me and more information. I haven't responded since.

I found the LTW investments website and it has actually been registered since 2004 to a Roger Bates in Arizona.

I'm really at a loss as to what's going on here. Most scams aren't this in-depth. I really expected to see Western Union brought up in the followup message they sent.

What do you guys think?
by Johann Meister Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:37 pm
I admit I have not read it thoroughly but why is the email address [email protected] a Yahoo-addy?

Any scammer can open a Yahoo-addy, impersonating a real company (and this is a common scam). I find it very fishy at least. If one emailed there, I wonder what the IP would say reply emails were sent from.

Have you googled your chatter´s or "business partner´s" email yet? It might lead you to ScamWarners...
by IveTriedThat Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:46 pm
Well, the domain lookup also has an Yahoo address listed as the registrar; however, it is different than the one they want me to email.
by The Enchantress Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:48 pm
Hi again IveTriedThat.

Thank you for posting this information - it will alert others. Well Done :=)

My advice would be to send no information and cease contact, we can investigate further.

I agree with Johann, it is well known for scammers to "piggy back" on a legitimate business.

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by Johann Meister Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:18 pm
Can you check and/or post the email headers from the "US"-emails?

Have you googled your chatter´s or "business partner´s" email yet? It might lead you to ScamWarners...
by IveTriedThat Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:23 pm
Here is what I have from Angelique. I haven't emailed "RB" yet.

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Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
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References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:14:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: R B <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: backpage response: Great live in job! Lots of travel! No kids!...
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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by The Enchantress Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:25 pm
Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from n2c.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (n2c.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.79]) by mx.google.com with SMTP id h32si6816872qcm.103.2010.07.06.13.09.17; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of [email protected] designates 76.13.13.79 as permitted sender) client-ip=76.13.13.79; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of [email protected] designates 76.13.13.79 as permitted sender) [email protected]; dkim=pass (test mode) [email protected] Received: from [76.13.12.94] by n2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2010 20:09:17 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.83] by t2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2010 20:09:17 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.99] by t3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2010 20:09:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2010 20:09:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: [email protected]
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Hi Thanks for writing Please tell me about yourself and where you live etc Also, please send a photo so I can put a face to a name Roger


IP = 174.26.31.29 = Phoenix, Arizona - Qwest Communications

IN SOME CASES Yahoo use a special protocol "NNFMP" to denote sender MAY be in a list of known scammers, or is using special software to hide their own IP address and details.

Note - it does not necessarily follow that if this protocol is not in a header - it should be assumed that the mail is NOT from a scammer.


@ IveTriedThat - could you please edit your personal info from the header you posted.

Your online safety is important to us.

I will continue investigating and post any findings.

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by IveTriedThat Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:32 pm
Ah, whoops didn't mean to include it. It's just a fake email I created to email the guy.

I've been scam baiting for awhile now. I just haven't seen anything like this yet and was wondering what angle this guy is running.
by GomerPyle Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:52 pm
Undoubtedly there's a 'kicker' at the end of all this but the scammer is serving plenty of enticements up front to make sure victims are totally committed before the one disadvantage is finally revealed and undoubtedy it'll require money going from you to the scammer, but how will you be able to say no ? - not to a man who owns more than one juicer. :=)

The English is polished and even nods to American spelling though certain things it mentions make the whole proposition sound comical, and there is one glaring Nigerian expression among it all.

It's a novel approach and I can't wait to discover the reason for you to pay him money before you start work, but as light follows day, it's going to come.

Clearly in Arizona you're measured by the size of your juicer :D and if he needs help cutting up fruit perhaps he's also registered disabled. The only alternative is that the ad was written by a Martian with little idea of how humans live on Earth.

The emphasis on diet makes it ludicrous that it doesn't specify some dietary qualification for the job applicant but the writer is just waffling on with their brain out of gear. It's the typical wonderful job offer, with no qualifications needed that anyone could perform that sounds more like a long term holiday. Don't you hear bad news coming ? Surely you wouldn't begrudge paying out a few hundred dollars for such an opportunity ?

Same old scam with a new tune. :roll:

Non-EU citizens should go here to find out about obtaining a visa to work as an au pair in the UK
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/doineedvisa/
Whenever payment is requested by Western Union you're dealing with a scammer
by Johann Meister Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:34 pm
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References: <[email protected]>
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Only US IPs, grr.

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