Delinquent Money Collection Scam

I noticed that too, but there are several groups involved now. They all seem to use Rosepark though.

Thank you MDX, you summed up this scam perfectly, better than I ever could. A lawyers input will always be greatly appreciated here.

New companies:

Douglas S. Hebei
Hebei-Hung Machinery Ltd
NO.118 Huashan Road Maanshan
Anhui 243013, China.
douglashebei@h ebei-hungmachinerych.com
info@hebei-hungmachine rych.com
www.hebei-hungmachinery.com
Telephone: +86-2131003629
Fax: +86-2161638301

Rohm Co, LTD
Ken Sato
[email protected]

Beta Machine Tool Co. Ltd
Andrew Wong
[email protected]
[email protected]
http://www.betamtco.com

Trailblazer Communications
Daniel Wong
[email protected]

Elevator Manufacturing Company Japan
Norio Sasaki
[email protected]

Nippon Elevator Manufacturing Company

Ruey Fa Textiles
[email protected]
rueyfa-textiles.com

Jinan Haohua Industry, Co. Ltd
Rahman Omar
292-45 shindand
Seoul Teugbyeolsi, Korea
Tel:+86 531808 90067
Fax:+86 532301 01786
Email-rahm [email protected]

Edit: Checks now seem to be coming from PTI Securities and Futures instead of Thompson Global, but they are still coming from London or Canada. Edit: checks are coming from these companies

SC SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT
WRIGHT PRODUCTS, INC.
BRAZOS FASTENER COMPANY
MARSH MANUFACTURING OF MI LLC
ELECTRONIC MANUFACTURING SOLUTIONS OF WI INC
ZECCO HOLDINGS., INC.
TALCUP, INC.
ALBRECHT ELECTRIC, LLC.

What a plum.

Their stupidity and arrogance never ceases to amaze me.

Cisero, there is still that small problem with all of your "customers" checks being counterfeit.

Evidence is such a bitch, Mr. Ong.

PS: Jillian - you didn't happen to get an IP address, did you....

Cisero Ong
President & General Overseer
Cergasoil Engineering Ltd

Is he Grand Vizier too ? or does he mean Seer in the psychic sense, and he can't spell Sissy either.

He doesn't appear grateful for his company profile being brought into the public domain, does he ?

Audacious!

I'd ask him to tell me more, but that won't be neccessary.

Hey wait, I just noticed this:

Third and my last point, how much money does your management acquire from this website. I say that this site is a nuance method of acquiring income through internet clicks from people who come on here and register.

I want a raise! Clearly I missed the underlying purpose of this site and have been missing out on a big paycheck

Seriously, though, I just wanted to point out how these scammers simply don't get us, because they cannot comprehend the concept of helping others for free. Because they are so busy lying, cheating, and manipulating for the sole purpose of getting money from others, they assume the rest of the world must be the same way. If they thought they could make money from a site like scamwarners, they wouldn't hesitate to create one (in fact, there are already some examples of this type of attitude in sites that charge you huge fees to do what we do here for free, and in recovery scams which are designed to get more from victims who have already been hurt and may be desperate). Sometimes we see potential victims who are fooled, or nearly fooled, because they just can't believe that any human being can sink below a certain level. The important thing to realize is that everyone and everything is considered fair game to a scammer, and there is no such thing as "too low".

Hi. I find these scams pretty funny, and always run a google search when I get stuff like this. This time, I came across this site, and thought I would update the thread with recent information I received. I am an attorney, but work in-house, not at a lawfirm. I received the following email recently, which adds new names to the list. I assume these scammers found me through Martindale Hubbel, but clearly, they did not do too much research, no matter how "careful" they claimed to be! Their new website is pretty funny, but you can see their "New Digital Timer-clock with stylish outlook," which is about all the information I could find!

I have included the header information below the email. Hopefully, this will help others similarly contacted.

Demaximis

________________________

Attention Counsel,

Good morning to you and thank you very much for your email, we are very optimistic that this relationship will be beneficial to both parties. we are one of the fastest growing manufacturing companies in Asia..


After a careful research, we have been able to establish that delinquent or past due accounts are settled when reputable lawyer/ firm represent an organization in collections or possible law suit. We are can say this authoritatively; because we have tried it in Europe and our delinquent account have been reduced to a significant extent.

To give you a better understanding of what your responsibilities will be as our legal representative, it is important that you understand some difficulties we are faced with presently with our customers in North America; a lots of customers dont fully fulfill their obligation in terms of payment.


Attorney, if you require a retainer fee, percentage of amount collected from delinquent accounts or hourly billing in order for you to help recover what is owed to Electronics Tomorrow Ltd. we are ready to work with you. However, percentage will vary based on the mode of settlement or collection. We are incapacitated due to international legal boundaries to exert pressure on such clients or commence litigation in such cases.

We have recently put in measures to avoid instances like this, as it cost us lot of money in recovering these accounts, at times these account are written off as bad debt.
At this moment it will not be proper for me to provide you with list of delinquent accounts until there is client attorney engagement / relationship. Below are the areas we would require your expertise.


1, Provide consultation and legal advise in cases of customers with delinquent payments.
2, Receive the said funds of past due account and keep in a trust account on our behalf until the funds are required by our company.
2b, When payments is received , you will be instructed on how and when to disburse, at the end of the month you shall supply us with details of how much was collected and disburse for us to reconcile our accounts.

We suggest that cases of clients with delinquent payment will be billed on a case by case bases, however let us know your retainer fee or percentage for any funds recovered on behalf of Electronics Tomorrow Ltd .


I do hope this is acceptable to you. Upon receipt of your letter engagement, our board will sit and go through the terms contract you have written, before a final decision to retain your services or not. I will await your update on how we may proceed and open negotiation for remuneration accordingly. It is imperative that you respond immediately as time is of the essence and we are poised to utilize your services with immediate effect.

We are currently planning of establishing a sales office officially in the U.S in the nearest future, you can assist in working out the legal modalities/ frame work for us. Please accept my sincerest appreciation for your willingness to render your services, as we look forward to your prompt response to my email.


Sincerely

Paul Tak Wah Yau
CEO
Electronics Tomorrow Ltd
Unit 905-7, 9/F., Tower 1,
Harbour Centre, 1 Hok Cheung Street,
Hung Hom, Kowloon, Hong Kong.
Tel (852) 2330 1550
Fax (852) 2330 3273
Web: http://www.etl.com.hk

____________________________
Headers (my domain removed):

Received: from xxx.com (xxx.x.xxx.xxx) by gaalpsvr0380.us.xxx.com
(153.2.81.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.340.0; Wed, 1 Apr 2009
17:40:48 -0400
Received: from ([153.2.244.49]) by tessa.xxx.com with ESMTP id
5503127.146932132; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:40:22 -0400
Received: from ([209.85.220.162]) by nigel.xxx.com with ESMTP id
5302261.EDGE; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:40:22 -0400
Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so136762fxm.17 for <[email protected]>;
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references
:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type;
bh=qUrPF45tB7jvEySEiZosnlIhzdXM3N6Pcs1Fs2DFR0w=;
b=ryzKzNpkxgqmoUwU+1ttPhrx8ebfZYIuleehdZhvjW+mcaXYDElQ8fqK0j1nJUerla
L3Q6nC280kDCq6j/meUFLq1RVrMvN9w6qC94Sc2k2AzvJNL7Wm+yxGdA6qt6a3pHIROy
pyi3gp4G1pE4tvkQJRflzprVOZ5ngDmdxajeQ=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to
:content-type;
b=vFkJnxPSQRImrFariZ/YV+UCnE7KXbsEGVy8p4xQLvNe87iWS3RHssGMbUkWDqtvOO
VaVFXAPY9xClxiHKXRIMC6DMCoNMO6Bs35K4lkFQstNWE3ZfpUT9enpSAGyxIKzK0+k2
aZtLVRdjrVllyFqsPiEmd826WjsWrWPlPpCFo=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.223.107.68 with SMTP id a4mr6576911fap.104.1238622020388; Wed,
01 Apr 2009 14:40:20 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <7855EEB2454C8E47898098181993F0810199CC0BFA@gaalpsvr036f.us.xxx.com>
References: <[email protected]>
<7855EEB2454C8E47898098181993F0810199CC0BFA@gaalpsvr036f.us.xxx.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:40:20 +0100
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Request for Legal assistance
From: Paul Tak Wah Yau <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001636c5a440894b920466852914"
X-esp: ESP<18>=
SHA:<0>
UHA:<10>
ISC:<0>
BAYES:<0>
SenderID:<0>
DKIM:<0>
TS:<8>
SIG:<dWO8boNXAPyw_-J-FCZzrQKukLPQYbFWZBjiVL7xsNBs8LDzQXFZ5AvfKT1R
PwWq7EAJ2KP86RVYMk1yOVPU9_X6jqUcR41GZvTDx60OzeXIB1OLHDFWTZKV
wMczPfjrLTD-4oZRd4TbTIpESAqiA0nF9cjoi3gJhCSmevM0po7i7y80yCWL
wLa6A66DkXjiXAAAAAAk1q0XkA-1If5Sibeh1HVKDFW4XShIA>
DSC:<0>
TRU_spam2: <0>
TRU_embedded_image_spam: <0>
TRU_urllinks: <0>
TRU_ru_spamsubj: <0>
TRU_money_spam: <0>
TRU_legal_spam: <0>
TRU_profanity_spam: <0>
TRU_watch_spam: <0>
TRU_playsites: <0>
TRU_spam1: <0>
TRU_html_image_spam: <0>
TRU_marketing_spam: <0>
TRU_phish_spam: <0>
TRU_freehosting: <0>
TRU_medical_spam: <0>
URL Real-Time Signatures: <0>
TRU_scam_spam: <0>
TRU_lotto_spam: <0>
TRU_stock_spam: <0>
TRU_misc_spam: <0>
TRU_adult_spam: <0>
Return-Path: [email protected]

demaximis,

Thanks for posting this, as it may help to prevent others from being scammed. Just a note--a quick check shows that ETL.com.hk appears to be a real site that has been in existence for several years. But also note that the contact address on the site is from the domain etl.com.hk which is what you would expect, while your scammer has a gmail address. So basically your scammer is using a real company to make his scam look legitimate (but of course he has no access to the real company.)

Hi demaximis, thank you for posting to add information to this thread.

Also noting here that after multiple reports sent by site killers, the fraudulent Cergas Oil site mentioned earlier in the thread has finally been suspended by the hoster.

Domain Name: CERGASOIL.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM
Name Server: NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 28-mar-2009
Creation Date: 28-sep-2008
Expiration Date: 28-sep-2009

I am dealing with a business under circumstances eerily similar to what I see mentioned at your website. I fail to find the nature of the scam, and thus you have failed on communication. My bank thinks that my client trust account may be the subject of the scam and, thus, I am requiring a wire deposit and a special, ad hoc client trust account for the client before I proceed further. The client, if a scammer, would seemingly disagree to these terms being put to the client in my proposed retainer agreement.

^^ Huh?

You think that because the scammer gives you a bank account that it's not going to be a scam?
For this particular scam, these assholes have access to dozens of accounts. Giving you one is not going to be a problem and isn't proof that it's not a scam.
They don't exactly open their accounts with their own names. Most operating in this type of scam are banks based in China.
Opening an account yourself just for the scammer isn't going to do a lot of good either - the whole point of this scam is that the check is a forgery and will slip through the system.

As for the retainer? Sure you may get lucky and the scammer may back out OR you may get money that they've stolen from someone else or paid for with another victim's credit card. I'd look long and hard at wether or not you could then be liable to be charged for money laundering.

Don't think for one moment that your so-called safeguards are worth a cent.

Failed on communication?
You lost me at the words "I am".

Agreed. If the circumstances seem eerily similar and your bank thinks it may be a scam, walk away.
Phishing scams mean that a wire transfer to your account can be no safer than a fake check.

Hi bobburns and welcome.

I agree that the precautions you are taking won't necessarily protect you. The more complex scams, such as this one, are run by scammers with above average resources (compared to other scammers). They are very capable of flashing your bank account so that money appears in it but as with a fraudulent check, it won't be there to stay.

We would be glad to help you further investigate this if you'd like to share more information. We are experts on researching scams. If you would like help you can either post information here or send a private message to anyone on the support team.